Just an opinion on identity politics and overall policy direction.

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When you think about how much this election is about identity politics, it's really very interesting.

We have the question on Muslims. We have a question on evangelicals. We have the question on Hispanics. We have the question on African Americans. We have the question on whites. We have the question on women. This particular election seems entirely about how much different subgroups are going to identify with the candidates (or their party) and it's taken priority over the actual policy positions. The guy on one of the Sunday morning talk shows was mentioning that, since 2012, the GOP has spent more time and money on outreach to blacks, hispanics, and women than any political party ever. I thought it was insightful.

This isn't a new phenomenon. It's really just the latest manifestation of what has been a steady trend in political strategy since the days of integration. I'm not going to highlight the Southern Strategy, although it certainly plays a role.

The reason it matters more now than ever before is because various subgroups represent larger shares of the electorate than ever before. This means that if those subgroups feel excluded from a political party, they have little reason to take that party's policy positions seriously...even if it's beneficial to them. Similarly, so long as a political party feels that they can ignore a subgroup, they have little reason to explore the nuances of policy that actually benefit everyone over the subgroups they don't ignore. We end up with political parties preaching to the choir so to speak.

If parties found a way to be more inclusive of identity groups, instead of holding them up as the enemy, then we might be able to return a world where competing policy positions were really about the best overall strategy and less about championing one identity group and/or dismissing the needs of the others. Which is where I think we are - I don't think many of the domestic policies that we hear about are really about improving the nation, so much as they are about telegraphing to one identity group or another a sense of inclusion...or, in some cases, a sense of exclusion.

And because someone is always going to assume otherwise - yes, I'm talking about both parties equally and yes, I'm including white people as a subgroup...because they are. White middle class and white upper class and white working class all vote differently based on their sense of inclusion/exclusion to one party or another (more specifically, I think they vote differently based on their birth circumstances, not their actual achievement outcomes). But back to the point - yes, they're an identity subgroup for the purpose of this post.

Anyway, that's just my quick opinion given the various threads on the state of the GOP, both now and following the 2012 election and how this trend is actually leading to inferior policy positions for the nation.
 
identity politics is a main branch of cultural marxism.

distract, divide, and conquer.
 
The dems want to make X group victims. Then they can promise X groups freebies and that all of the issues of X group are due to evil white people and not hand out any responsibility to X group.
 
Which is where I think we are - I don't think many of the domestic policies that we hear about are really about improving the nation, so much as they are about telegraphing to one identity group or another a sense of inclusion...or, in some cases, a sense of exclusion.

Strongly disagree with this part. Environmental policies, family leave, college--lots of aspects of Clinton's platform have universal benefits, and some primarily benefit the white working class, which nonetheless has been the hardest demographic group for her to reach. That's reflected in the campaigns, too. What you're talking about is very much a one-sided phenomenon. I think the problem the GOP has had is that the primary policy agenda has failed and is unpopular, and they've had to maintain support for their quest for power by appealing to identity politics. That hasn't happened on the other side (arguably it had in the '70s--particularly with regard to crime--but I'm talking about lately).
 
Strongly disagree with this part. Environmental policies, family leave, college--lots of aspects of Clinton's platform have universal benefits, and some primarily benefit the white working class, which nonetheless has been the hardest demographic group for her to reach. That's reflected in the campaigns, too. What you're talking about is very much a one-sided phenomenon. I think the problem the GOP has had is that the primary policy agenda has failed and is unpopular, and they've had to maintain support for their quest for power by appealing to identity politics. That hasn't happened on the other side (arguably it had in the '70s--particularly with regard to crime--but I'm talking about lately).

I don't know. I think the approach to those problems is what is telegraphing inclusion or exclusion. For example, many of the Dem approaches to environmental policy don't seem to speak to the needs of those who will be hurt by those changes. Those people have legitimate questions such as "Great...but what happens to me?" that are largely left unanswered. Maybe the answers are there but it's not vocalized. In many ways, those most likely to be harmed see those negative consequences characterized as tough luck because someone else is more important to us.

I think both parties have erred equally in this area.
 
I think the democrats have done an effective job at convincing minorities and women that republicans are racist, sexist or out to get them. So it's smart for the GOP to reach out to these groups and state what there candidates stand for.
 
This election has shown the world just how big of a scumbag Hillary Clinton really is and how terrible Obama's presidency really was. She is basically promising to continue with what Obama has done (God help us all). Hillary is running against one of the worst candidates in the history of politics, a sleazy billionaire reality TV show star. Hillary has disgusting celebrities making weekly endorsements for her. She has CNN and other biased left leaning media outlets working 25/8 to attack Trump and make Hillary look good.

The deck is stacked, the game is rigged, liberal ideology plagues nearly every inch of society and yet, Hillary is still having trouble winning people over. I think it's because deep down even many lefties loathe Hillary and fear the damage of another 4 years under an Obama presidency dictated by Hillary.
 
This election has shown the world just how big of a scumbag Hillary Clinton really is and how terrible Obama's presidency really was. She is basically promising to continue with what Obama has done (God help us all). Hillary is running against one of the worst candidates in the history of politics, a sleazy billionaire reality TV show star. Hillary has disgusting celebrities making weekly endorsements for her. She has CNN and other biased left leaning media outlets working 25/8 to attack Trump and make Hillary look good.

The deck is stacked, the game is rigged, liberal ideology plagues nearly every inch of society and yet, Hillary is still having trouble winning people over. I think it's because deep down even many lefties loathe Hillary and fear the damage of another 4 years under an Obama presidency dictated by Hillary.
Actually as a leftist my biggest fear with Hillary is that she shifts American foreign policy away from the direction Obama has taken it.
 
Actually as a leftist my biggest fear with Hillary is that she shifts American foreign policy away from the direction Obama has taken it.

Culturally, Hillary would follow in the same path Obama cleared when it comes to creating an environment that promotes radical leftist identity politics.
 
Culturally, Hillary would follow in the same path Obama cleared when it comes to creating an environment that promotes radical leftist identity politics.
Even there I don't agree. Hillary does not strike me as the same sort of person as Obama. She's too cautious a political animal to try and act as a trend setter in American culture, more than likely she takes a reactive approach and just adopts whatever position a critical mass of the electorate does.
 
Even there I don't agree. Hillary does not strike me as the same sort of person as Obama. She's too cautious a political animal to try and act as a trend setter in American culture, more than likely she takes a reactive approach and just adopts whatever position a critical mass of the electorate does.
I agree and I disagree with you.
 
since 2012, the GOP has spent more time and money on outreach to blacks, hispanics, and women than any political party ever.

But then Trump happened. <6>

This means that if those subgroups feel excluded from a political party, they have little reason to take that party's policy positions seriously... even if it's beneficial to them.

That's what really grinds my gears about identity politics nowadays: the fact that feelings are so entwined with it. There are pragmatic dimensions to identity politics, as demonstrated by enslavement and subsequent discrimination of AAs: they had an entirely pragmatic justification to engage in identity politics, because slavery and discrimination had tangible, concrete effects on their lives.

Fortunately, things are less harsh nowadays. However, that allows the motivation to engage in identity politics to slide from pragmatic to emotional. I think this causes a fair portion of political arguments to degenerate into virtue signaling, which distracts from what I think is the most important part of politics: effective policy.

In short, I feel excluded. The obvious solution to which is of course to start my own branch of identity politics...
 
Actually as a leftist my biggest fear with Hillary is that she shifts American foreign policy away from the direction Obama has taken it.
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Funny how Liberals claim they are the party of racial equality yet every person running for them for president is a rich white person.
 
identity politics is a main branch of cultural marxism.

distract, divide, and conquer.
What you're forgetting is that the conservatives are the ones who pioneered it, liberals just perfected it. All this cultural marxism talk just stinks of conspiracy theories involving Jews and White liberals pitting minorities against Whites but the first ones pulling out the race card were Southern Whites and their politicians - Who supposedly hate this divide and conquer.

Let's hold both sides accountable.
 
Even there I don't agree. Hillary does not strike me as the same sort of person as Obama. She's too cautious a political animal to try and act as a trend setter in American culture, more than likely she takes a reactive approach and just adopts whatever position a critical mass of the electorate does.

Do you think Hillary will drop the "black lives matter, women are oppressed and diversity is our strength" act once she is elected?
 
I agree and I disagree with you.
What does that mean?
Do you think Hillary will drop the "black lives matter, women are oppressed and diversity is our strength" act once she is elected?
No but I think she'll only push it tepidly here and there to maintain a certain level of support from the electorate.

At most she'll craft some piece of legislation that throws a bone or two to the SJWs that may or may not pass. But I don't think she'll be a driving force for the movement, more of a cautious supporter here and there. Whether it grows or dies will depend little on her I think.
 
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