Judo Workout, PHASE 3, Brown to Black

[judogido]

Rough. Bad luck about the knee, I hope it doesnt put you out too long. Considering how keen you are to train - make sure you take the time to let it heal properly.

I was always very challenged by having to referee - even just the u/10s competitions. You get a new respect for those refereeing - it is harder than it seems from the sidelines, isnt it?

 

[seandoyle]

congrats bro

 

[Bubble Boy]

Your main concern MUST be your knee, there are many tournaments but ONLY two knees



Any video?

My knee is my main concern. I'm just trying to jot down tournament stuff while it's fresh in my head so that I can refer back here later.
Doc's are closed today because it's "Presidents Day" here in the U.S. Tomorrow I'm making an appointment with a highy recommended ortho knee specialist.
I can walk around, but it's sore. Not sure what I've done to it. There is zero swelling and zero bruising, which to me is strange, because I clearly felt the knee joint dislocate significantly and then pop back in. The pain was SEVERE for about 30 seconds, then just very sore.

CroCop Matt has the video footage. I should have it posted up here tomorrow. I'm eager to see it myself; I've only seen bits of footage on the small camera play back display.

Rough. Bad luck about the knee, I hope it doesnt put you out too long. Considering how keen you are to train - make sure you take the time to let it heal properly.

I was always very challenged by having to referee - even just the u/10s competitions. You get a new respect for those refereeing - it is harder than it seems from the sidelines, isnt it?

I'm going to do whatever the doctor says to do. I really want my knees to function better, and if the doc tells me shoving a carrot up my nose will help, I'll do it.

Refereeing was great. I had a blast. If it weren't for my knee I would've kept going. Hayward Nishioka was the head ref and he really walked me through everything. As soon as I'd come off the mat (refereeing) he'd come right over excitedly give me pointers. He seemed bewildered that I was having FUN doing it. He was literally laughing at me about that. What a great guy. If I'm out for any time because of surgery or something then I'm going to focus on getting my ref certification.
It was difficult. My biggest problem was keeping track of who got the ippon. They all looked the same! I actually GUESSED once while awarding the win as the two players stood at their lines. Nobody fussed so I must have gotten it right.

 

[judogido]

It was difficult. My biggest problem was keeping track of who got the ippon. They all looked the same! I actually GUESSED once while awarding the win as the two players stood at their lines. Nobody fussed so I must have gotten it right.

LOL. I have had to ask the players which one of them did the throw before.

 

[Steeltwo]

so it looks like we both got banged up knees from the tournies


to me is sounds like you popped it pretty good and strained the ligiments(sp?).
but the big thing is did you tear the meniscus when your knee popped. as it went backwards, i'm going to guess no.


as much as everyone hates losing. I think it is the best thing at times.

 

[Bubble Boy]

02-22-2006

First, the good news is the doc said there is no damage to my knee. I can't believe it. It completely dislocated and it's ok. I got lucky I guess. He just did an examination (pushing it side to side etc), and an x-ray, but no mri or anything. He put me on a weight room program that will gradually build up my muscles. I have runners legs -- I need muscle head legs.

OK, here's the link to my matches. First, the quality of the video totally bites. My computer DVD player took a dump and wouldn't play the footage. So I had to video tape my t.v. screen in a darkened room and then convert the video to digital and then upload to youtube. NOTE: My tv screen was set to stretch mode (widescreen tv) accidently so it makes us look wider than we really are. Sorry for the quality.

Note on the first match: I'm the guy with my butt sticking out. The other guy is standing as straight as a pole the whole match. His name is Wade and he was real cool. An ex-wrestler turned judoka.
I almost get my takedown on him at one point (ouchi gari hook / over the shoulder ura nage counter), but I think he deserved at least wazari on that counter to my counter, probably ippon. I almost get a juji on him and I was real close a bit later to getting a straight armed kimura thing on him.
Again the second match I was going to try and counter Rob Sty's left uchimata, but he unbalanced me with a kosoto gari and screwed me up. I don't know what on earth made me think he would just shoot straight in for the uchimata without setting it up first. As you can see in the video I was giving it to him. Um...he took it. Damn.

One more comment and then I'll shut up: the Bubble Boy you see in these matches is not the one you would see in randori. I was VERY tentative and lacking in confidence in this tournament. Right now my mind is my weakness...

A note on youtube. The video works best if you click "pause" as the video starts and allow the progress bar to proceed for a few minutes, then click "play."

http://www.youtube.com/?v=FwezAkVoBU4

Steeltwo, your log looks good. The dog story had me laughing my ass off. Hope your knee is doing better.

 

[ordean]

You should have stayed last night.... You missed me putting on a clinic of what NOT to do in a Judo match. Good times. Did the Doc give you time off of Judo or just tell you to be careful?

 

[Ted-P]

02-22-2006

First, the good news is the doc said there is no damage to my knee. I can't believe it. It completely dislocated and it's ok. I got lucky I guess. He just did an examination (pushing it side to side etc), and an x-ray, but no mri or anything. He put me on a weight room program that will gradually build up my muscles. I have runners legs -- I need muscle head legs.

Jesus.....

I have been looking at your log for so long, but never seen anything lowerbody aside from running.

Deadlifting and Squats!!!!

Please dont tell me your Doctor put you on a machine routine.

 

[Bubble Boy]

You should have stayed last night.... You missed me putting on a clinic of what NOT to do in a Judo match. Good times. Did the Doc give you time off of Judo or just tell you to be careful?

You're a funny boy.
The DOC said, "Meh, your knee is fine but you need to strengthen your legs or it'll happen again." I didn't ask him about judo training because as soon as he said "your knee is fine" I thought, "Cool, so I can train Thursday!" and that was that.

I have been looking at your log for so long, but never seen anything lowerbody aside from running.

Deadlifting and Squats!!!!

Please dont tell me your Doctor put you on a machine routine.

Well the days of no lowerbody stuff are over. This injury was a major eye-opener for me. My legs are going to become my strong point, not my weakness. I'm now competing against guys who are so good that it's actually dangerous for me to go in like I did for this tournament: 20 lbs over weight, no cardio, no flexibility, no leg muscle strength, etc. It's not fun and games anymore like the novice divisions.

My Doctor advised me to start light and to work up, so yeah, he said to start on machines: extensions, leg curls, and presses. He advised to bump up to squats and free weights after 6 weeks of machines. I hope to eventually be doing squats and deadlifts. I'll be browsing the Strength and Power forum for advise.

 

[judogido]

I dont know what you're whinging about. Considering you went up a division you dont look out of place at all & that's the main thing. You have some work to do, sure - but give yourself some time in this division and you'll adapt soon enough, I reckon.

All in all - not as bad as you think it was. Well done.

Were there 2 fights/links to videos? I only saw the one.

 

[Ted-P]

You're a funny boy.
The DOC said, "Meh, your knee is fine but you need to strengthen your legs or it'll happen again." I didn't ask him about judo training because as soon as he said "your knee is fine" I thought, "Cool, so I can train Thursday!" and that was that.



Well the days of no lowerbody stuff are over. This injury was a major eye-opener for me. My legs are going to become my strong point, not my weakness. I'm now competing against guys who are so good that it's actually dangerous for me to go in like I did for this tournament: 20 lbs over weight, no cardio, no flexibility, no leg muscle strength, etc. It's not fun and games anymore like the novice divisions.

My Doctor advised me to start light and to work up, so yeah, he said to start on machines: extensions, leg curls, and presses. He advised to bump up to squats and free weights after 6 weeks of machines. I hope to eventually be doing squats and deadlifts. I'll be browsing the Strength and Power forum for advise.

I see.

Best of luck to you.

Lower body is the toughest but the most rewarding part of working out IMO.

 

[registered]

You're a funny boy.
The DOC said, "Meh, your knee is fine but you need to strengthen your legs or it'll happen again." I didn't ask him about judo training because as soon as he said "your knee is fine" I thought, "Cool, so I can train Thursday!" and that was that.



Well the days of no lowerbody stuff are over. This injury was a major eye-opener for me. My legs are going to become my strong point, not my weakness. I'm now competing against guys who are so good that it's actually dangerous for me to go in like I did for this tournament: 20 lbs over weight, no cardio, no flexibility, no leg muscle strength, etc. It's not fun and games anymore like the novice divisions.

My Doctor advised me to start light and to work up, so yeah, he said to start on machines: extensions, leg curls, and presses. He advised to bump up to squats and free weights after 6 weeks of machines. I hope to eventually be doing squats and deadlifts. I'll be browsing the Strength and Power forum for advise.

Never eard of somebody advising you about leg legs explosive power? from toes to buttocks?:icon_chee

take care

 

[kimura594]

way to go

 

[Bubble Boy]

02-27-2006

HIKE

Wouldn't normally count this as a workout, but I was testing out my knee after 10 days of slothenly behavior. Hiked some tough but reasonable terrain for about an hour. The knee felt fatigued, but stable. This is good.
Also, I get an MRI in two weeks (soonest they could get me in).

judogido, the single link is to the videos. After the first match there's a real brief second one of my nice uchimata fall. You just have to keep watching there at the end.

registered, yes, you had been telling me to work my legs. Yes you were right. Ok, there, I said it.

kimura594, banned. Again?

 

[Bubble Boy]

PLAN. Developed after some soul searching the past 10 days.

JUDO: Push Randy to help me develop the over the shoulder russian belt grab strategy. I think it can fit well with his "one step judo." What I'm saying is I have NEVER had a problem getting the over shoulder grip in competition. Well, maybe once against a left handed thrower, but I learned from that. Point is, I can get the grip, and feel very comfortable once there. So, now add the one step. I've been practising one step judo with the standard grip...how about from MY prefered grip? And then really cinch it up. Really develop it. That's my judo goal. I have to get Randy on board though.

WEIGHT ROOM: It's time to have a rebirth of the weight room into my training.
My legs are in rehab mode. I've got to strengthen the knee joints, ankles , and even glutes and pelvic region. Starting with machines and building (Maybe over 3-6 months) up to squats and deadlifts.
I also need to put the muscle on up top. I actually prefer bodybuilding / higher rep stuff here.

YOGA: Some kind of yoga or stretching everyday.

CARDIO: I must develop my cardio in some way other than JUST running. I'm imaging that in between tournaments I'll be doing lot's of recumbant stationary bike stuff. When the pool opens in the spring I'm going to start swimming laps on my work lunch breaks. Low impact stuff. As tournaments near (maybe a month out) I'll intensify and add some hill runs and the such.

DIET: Time to stop kidding myself. I weighed in at 183 for that tournament. I should be fighting from 155 to 165. Seriously. WTF.

 

[Bubble Boy]

02-28-2006

WEIGHT ROOM

Basic back into the weight room routine today.
Bench: 45# bar for 15 reps, then 4 sets of 135.
Military: 45# bar for 10 reps x3. Note: I was using the bar from the bench press because the weight room section of the gym was empty, and it was the easiest place to watch my form in the mirror. This BIG Josh Thompson looking dude comes in and dramatically whips off his sweat shirt so that all (I'm the only one there) can see his big muscles. He disgustingly looks at me using the bench bar for my military presses. Realizing I'm commiting a weight room CRIME by using the bench bar I move to dumbbells and give him the bench. Fuck. Alpha male pwned.
Finished my shoulder presses with a 25# dumbbell in each hand. 10 reps x 2.
Some stretching.

JUDO

A very light 2 hours. Grip work and standing arm bars for an hour. Then we watched some of Koga's instructional video and practised his standard seoi nage. We were specifically practising his way of getting partially in and then baby stepping / scooting backwards up under the hips: throw. We were throwing onto crash pads. My knee is sore, but it held up. No explosive power though.

 

[True2KungFu]

I enjoy your log, and i will comment on a few things.

You said how in your tournament you werent the same as in randori. Thats common, most people are alot better in sparring than in a fight, usually because you are more relaxed. Dont worry about it, just compete alot more and then you will be able to pretty much be as relaxed as you are in sparring and your true skills will shine through.

Squats and deadlifts are gonna help your game out A TON. Actually id also say powercleans too for judo. I only practice a little judo and sub grappling every now and then but i can hold my own and beat most people my size just because of sheer strength attributed to those lifts. 2 days a week ive found has been optimal lifting along with all the Martial art training, one day squats and one day deadlifts, and directly after those i toss in a supplementary leg excercise like glute ham raises, stiff legged deads, or single leg squats. Then i usually do one upper body push and one upper body pull, it seems to be helping alot. the key is consistancy , and youll gain alot of strength initially within a few months. Keep it up.

 

[Bubble Boy]

03-02-2006

JUDO

Randy couldn't make it tonight so it was just a couple of us.
Cranked up the music and...
Grip work for about 15 minutes, with a fair amount of intensity. It's starting to dawn on me just how important getting the grip you want is. It's paramount.
Maybe a half hour of moving around uchikomi (best way I know how to describe it). Sort of skipping around working on grips and trading off "almost" throwing. I'd rather do kata randori or straight randori personally, but it was ok movement stuff I guess.
Probably for the best though; knee was getting pretty sore.
Finally moved to the crash pad and we all worked our favorite throws. I had very little power because of my knee, but the training was still good.
Over sharing note: Had the shits, but managed to get through class without a single shart. I'm so proud.

True2KungFu, I can't wait to get in the weight room and start working my legs. I think it'll change my game much as it has yours. And my tournament woes are maybe 80% lack-of-confidence based, I have very little doubt about that. If I can get my mind in the right place, I'll do ok.

 

[Steeltwo]

sometimes working with a bum knee can help.
it MAKES you use leverage as powering someone over is not an option.

did you knee ever swell up?

 

[Bubble Boy]

03-05-2006

Steel, dude, you seriously need a cool av.
Anyway, I tried to approach class tonight with your suggestions in mind. Thanks.
And no, there was never any swelling or bruising. It is still sore, and at times uncomfortable, especially up around the outside of my knee and up the hammy for some reason. MRI coming up on the 10th.

OPEN MAT JUDO

Just 3 of us. No-gi for the first half of the night. We practised some shoots and set ups with no-gi. Some Karo stuff, kind of.
Then we reviewed basic leg locks, heel cranks, achilles locks, stuff us judo guys don't work on to much. Thanks Ordean.
Then we put on our gi's and worked on grip work and set ups, and then crash pad throws.

Honestly, kind of a lackluster night. What did you think Ordean? There seems to be some intensity missing lately in our little judo club. IMO we all need to pick it up a notch. My favorite classes are the ones where everyone just kinda says "Hey, what's up dude?" at the beginning of class to get the formalities out of the way, and then it's straight to work, non-stop, for a couple of tough hours.
Oh well, still a decent "meh" workout.