Judo vs someone in shorts and t-shirt

[Gripme]

Hi, I did BJJ gi and no-gi for a year at a school I used to train at.
Now I'm thinking about taking up judo since I want more of a stand up game. I found a place I like but my criticism is that they seem to train exclusively in the judo uniform .

Is judo effective if it was a self defense situation, or even a controlled match against someone who is wearing a t-shirt and shorts (slipperiness that I'm not used to, and no sleeve or collar gripping points)?

 

[Russky]

Yes.

 

[Nnedd]

i dunno lol

Spoiler

Not all of that is necessarily unique to Judo. But you get the point.

 

[Thai Otoshi]

Yes.

 

[Gripme]

i dunno lol

Spoiler

Not all of that is necessarily unique to Judo. But you get the point.

But did those guys acquire those take down and throwing skills by training with the full uniform on and then have no problem applying their training to a setting where they are only wearing shorts?

 

[chunglii]

There's this person named Ronda Rousey.

 

[Thrawn33]

Shut up and train, and all will become clear.

 

[TheFakeMacoy]

TS, you can still use judo throws on someone wearing a T-shirt. Depending on the thickness of the shirt, it could probably withstand a throw or two. One of the reasons you wear a gi, is because it's supposed to withstand the wear and tear. You need something that doesn't rip a few minutes into every practice.

Also, people tend to wear jackets when outside where I live. Here, take a look at this:

 

[Gripme]

TS, you can still use judo throws on someone wearing a T-shirt. Depending on the thickness of the shirt, it could probably withstand a throw or two. One of the reasons you wear a gi, is because it's supposed to withstand the wear and tear. You need something that doesn't rip a few minutes into every practice.

Also, people tend to wear jackets when outside where I live. Here, take a look at this:

In the video you showed the guy that got thrown was wearing a long sleeve shirt or sweater so I understand how gi training can transfer over to that particular fight. You list your location as Canada, but where I'm moving to a tropical climate where thin t-shirts are going to be far more common. That's why I am making a big deal about now wanting my training to rely on collar and sleeve grips when the person isn't going have those.

I would just take bjj (gi and no-gi) again but I'm dissatisfied with how they over use guard pulling and don't do nearly enough stand up techniques.

 

[Scitney]

Learn to wrestle

 

[Uchi Mata]

But did those guys acquire those take down and throwing skills by training with the full uniform on and then have no problem applying their training to a setting where they are only wearing shorts?

A lot of those guys are wrestlers, so they learned without a gi. But some of the slickest throws you'll see in MMA, Akiyama, Lombard, Parysian, were pretty much pure Judo guys. You don't need much time out of the gi to make the throws work no-gi, none really for self defense.

 

[Gripme]

Learn to wrestle

I looked into it, but there isn't any place in my area. I guess it's very popular in the high schools but not for adults for some reason.

Ironically, my problem with wrestling is that they don't use the guard enough even though I said it's overused in BJJ tournaments. Instead they turn to their backs whenever someone is on top putting them in a perfect position for a rear naked choke.

What places need is a happy medium. They have the gi and the guard, but they don't rely on either, so they get the best of both worlds.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

In the video you showed the guy that got thrown was wearing a long sleeve shirt or sweater so I understand how gi training can transfer over to that particular fight. You list your location as Canada, but where I'm moving to a tropical climate where thin t-shirts are going to be far more common. That's why I am making a big deal about now wanting my training to rely on collar and sleeve grips when the person isn't going have those.

I would just take bjj (gi and no-gi) again but I'm dissatisfied with how they over use guard pulling and don't do nearly enough stand up techniques.

Actually he executed the hip throw with an underhook. I would say that is more of a stable to non jacket styles. But if you can get a good grip on the shirt, then I dont see why you cant execute a jacket throw.

But really, I have no idea, are judo gis harder or easier to get a grip on then regular everyday clothing like a shirt, or a coat.

 

[Gambledub]

Check to see if any of these schools are near you

http://www.freestylejudo.org/IFJA/

Alternatively, learn Judo and see if there is anyone in your Judo club that wants to do nogi, or at your BJJ club anyone who wants to work takedowns.

 

[jack36767]

I looked into it, but there isn't any place in my area. I guess it's very popular in the high schools but not for adults for some reason.

Ironically, my problem with wrestling is that they don't use the guard enough even though I said it's overused in BJJ tournaments. Instead they turn to their backs whenever someone is on top putting them in a perfect position for a rear naked choke.

What places need is a happy medium. They have the gi and the guard, but they don't rely on either, so they get the best of both worlds.

Um whether or not someone plays guard or turns their back because that's how the rules of the sport dictate your reactions is irrelevant to your original point. If you can't take someone down it doesn't matter what your opponent does after, because they were never put on the ground to begin with. And just use common sense when training the judo

 

[Harukaze]

As you play more judo, you'll come to understand that the gi is just handles for grip points that are already on the human body. You learn to change your tsurite (lapel grip) from a lapel to an underhook, overhook, collar tie, or headlock depending on the throw, and your hikite (sleeve grip) can instead grab a wrist or tricep.

If you've played BJJ both in gi and no-gi, you should be able to understand my point pretty easily.

 

[magick]

As you play more judo, you'll come to understand that the gi is just handles for grip points that are already on the human body. You learn to change your tsurite (lapel grip) from a lapel to an underhook, overhook, collar tie, or headlock depending on the throw, and your hikite (sleeve grip) can instead grab a wrist or tricep.

If you've played BJJ both in gi and no-gi, you should be able to understand my point pretty easily.

Pretty much.

Any dan-grade people or skilled brown-belts should be able to translate their judo into gi-less applications without too much trouble.

 

[GuardOfDoom]

But really, I have no idea, are judo gis harder or easier to get a grip on then regular everyday clothing like a shirt, or a coat.

Judo gis are harder to grip than regular everyday clothing. BJJ gis can be softer/thinner than judo gis and even they are harder to grip compared to everyday clothing.

I've caught people falling by their jackets very naturally and it was very simple to create a cup grip that you use in bjj all the time. If it was really weak, yes the shirt might rip, but honestly by the time it rips the guy is already going down. If they have a jacket or moderately thick shirt on, it's game over.

 

[Judo Thai Boxer]

Body lock kosoto gake works a treat, you can do it from over unders too but use the back of your forearm on their chest.

 

[boscoo]

The Ronda comparisons are a bit silly.

A more apt comparison would be if she had spent 100 percent of her training in a GI and then you suddenly threw her in an MMA ring against an an opponent in a rash guard. She would look decidedly average and her Judo wouldn't be even as fraction as effective.

Judo has long gone from self-defense to sport.

Not that BJJ is much better, but you are going to be far more likely to land a double or single leg take down than you are a Judo throw.