Judo: one of the ultimate grappling arts?

A BJJ Blue equals a Judo Black?

Clarifications:
A Judo Black belt might be equal to a BJJ blue in BJJ: on the ground and then only as a general rule - not as a set-in-concrete equation. Depends on the individuals involved and under what rules you are looking at. Some judo clubs do a lot more groundwork than others.

IMO - A BJJ black belt might equal an advanced Judo blue maybe even brown in stand-up Judo - and then only because they often cross-train in judo anyway. Some BJJ blacks hold judo ranks too. So it depends if they are dedicated BJJers or (like many) cross-train in another standup style.

The standards of Judo black-belts vary from country to country. In Japan a black belt is easier to get - only because they take a different view of the black. From my understanding, A shodan in Japan is no big deal - full-time training can get you one in a YEAR! A shodan in Japan just indicates a serious student - 3-4D indicates mastery.

By comparison, in Australia you are looking at at least 4-5 years & then only if you are a strong competitor. Probably the same in the USA and elsewhere.

Belt colours in judo do not equal competitive fighting strength as much as in BJJ, they almost more indicate knowledge of technique. IIRC, up till blue, you dont even have to enter any competitions, just be reasonable in randori and demonstrate the technical requirements of the grade.

These sorts of belt comparisons are bloody dumb anyway. May as well be saying a BJJ/Judo black belt = a yellow-belt karateka in striking under karate rules. No great surprise one arts skills and technique does not translate over to anothers.

Enough to say someone who specialises in ground-grappling will generally defeat someone specialising in standup grappling if they are fighting under rules favouring groundwork & vice-versa.
 
As for learning striking/weapons in Judo, that part of it is studied and practiced really only in SD classes, as part of gradings or in "traditional" judo clubs (rare as hen's teeth). It is more part of the judo heritage than something actually seriously part of the curriculum.
 
judogido said:
A BJJ Blue equals a Judo Black?

Clarifications:
A Judo Black belt might be equal to a BJJ blue in BJJ: on the ground and then only as a general rule - not as a set-in-concrete equation. Depends on the individuals involved and under what rules you are looking at. Some judo clubs do a lot more groundwork than others.

IMO - A BJJ black belt might equal an advanced Judo blue maybe even brown in stand-up Judo - and then only because they often cross-train in judo anyway. Some BJJ blacks hold judo ranks too. So it depends if they are dedicated BJJers or (like many) cross-train in another standup style.

The standards of Judo black-belts vary from country to country. In Japan a black belt is easier to get - only because they take a different view of the black. From my understanding, A shodan in Japan is no big deal - full-time training can get you one in a YEAR! A shodan in Japan just indicates a serious student - 3-4D indicates mastery.

By comparison, in Australia you are looking at at least 4-5 years & then only if you are a strong competitor. Probably the same in the USA and elsewhere.

Belt colours in judo do not equal competitive fighting strength as much as in BJJ, they almost more indicate knowledge of technique. IIRC, up till blue, you dont even have to enter any competitions, just be reasonable in randori and demonstrate the technical requirements of the grade.

These sorts of belt comparisons are bloody dumb anyway. May as well be saying a BJJ/Judo black belt = a yellow-belt karateka in striking under karate rules. No great surprise one arts skills and technique does not translate over to anothers.

Enough to say someone who specialises in ground-grappling will generally defeat someone specialising in standup grappling if they are fighting under rules favouring groundwork & vice-versa.


Truth. I get the feeling that some of these guys are just guessing. Or beating on some poor, old guy that is not an athlete.

BB = blue belt is rediculous to say the least.
 
In terms of hours on the mat (which is the best comparison imo) i'd say a judo black belt is on about the same level as a bjj purple.
 
Cojofl said:
In terms of hours on the mat (which is the best comparison imo) i'd say a judo black belt is on about the same level as a bjj purple.

And that is about what I have witnessed. Well put. There is that learning curve where when you get to a point the rest is just to beat another top fighter of your own style. Or a particular fighter even. When you aren't, you just strengthen your basics.
 
how about this...It depends on the person! A BB judo guy just started training BJJ with us for the past 3 months and he is good...damn good. Tapping purple belts but he also gets tapped. The person is more important and how focused they are, then their ranking
 
i say train whatever you like and enjoy.
let's face it. some time ago jiu jitsu got split into 2 games. ground game (bjj) and stand up (judo). if you want to be really good at it all you are going to have to train both.
 
I'm a brown-belt judoka & I'd tentatively put myself (ever so humbly ..:D ) at BJJ blue belt/3-stripe white? level (given even weight..). However I have just started doing BJJ classes, so I'll wait until I have done a lot more rolling with a lot more different partners before I form a better opinion. Problem is, by then I'll be more adapted to the game & comfortable in/passing guard, so will it then be an accurate reflection.

Numerous BB judoka school me on the ground - so I figure they MUST be better than blues on average. Then again - BJJ 3s white & blues are pretty tough. I dont know if I'd handle a BJJ purple & my ground game in Judo is acceptable enough for a black belt.

*sigh* How'd we get into another BJJ x-belt = judo y-belt thread anyway.
 
Heck - many here are just talking from theory. Go do some training/rolling in the opposite discipline for a while and THEN see if your opinion is the same.
 
GracieMMABarra said:
how about this...It depends on the person! A BB judo guy just started training BJJ with us for the past 3 months and he is good...damn good. Tapping purple belts but he also gets tapped. The person is more important and how focused they are, then their ranking

do you know where that BB trains for judo?
 
The Man Monster said:
I believe this is because Judo guys put alot of time into throws and other aspects of the game while BJJ people tend to focus on ground fighting for the most part. So the Judo guy scores a takedown/throw and the BJJ guy scrambles for posistion and taps the Judo Black Belt.

I must agree, as the judo guys have exceptional throwing techniques, once the ground game begins they tend to give their back out of reflex due to their point system and ultimately get submitted. That was the case with several judo fighters in MMA, for example Renzo Gracie vs Ben Spikers. But there have always been hardcore ground fighting Judo schools that focuses on submissions extensively. Its fun, but in that case you might as well just do BJJ if you don
 
Oh sweet mother of Jesus, another bjj vs Judo thread...














What he hell, I can't resist jumping in.

First, the original post is just plain silly. Now that the Cojofl and Judogido guys have showed up things have settled down a bit, but I'm thinking this Foul Breath guy is just a troll trying to incite a riot...

Next, I'm a mostly pure Judo guy. I've had zero formal training in any other grappling style (unless you count Aikido). I'm a judo green belt, about 4 belts away from a black belt. In my personal experience I've never had any trouble on the ground with bjj blue belts. I've certainly never been tapped by one.

The big thing I've noticed is that BJJers are technically (and I mean that literally) superior, that is, these guys are always going for subs, and know exactly when to go for them. The submissions data base is bigger than mine. :) However, what I've got on them is positioning, because in Judo you're going for the pin.
SO, it's relatively easy for me to get a side mount or north south pin on a blue belt bjj guy.
Judogido, I have a feeling you'll find the same thing in your BJJ class.
The problem is, BJJ guys don't think this kind of positioning amounts to shit. It's just another goddamned judoka STALLING. We get a solid n/s in judo and we think we're the "head mutha fucka what's in charge." The bjjer underneath is wondering when your going to do something.
Different frame of reference.
But my point is this. 95% of Judo black belts out there pretty much school me on the ground. I'm even with other Judo greens and browns on the ground for the most part. That means, to me, that I'm an intermediate Judoka with several years ahead of me until black belt. And I have very little problems with BJJ blues.

No way a BJJ blue is equal to a Judo Black Belt on the ground.

SIDE NOTE: Tonight in judo I rolled against a Judo Black Belt who pretty much sucked. SO they certainly do exist. I'd agree that if a bjj blue got ahold of one of these guys, he'd own him.
 
When I said a judo black belt was equal to a bjj blue, I didn't mean in skills versus each other. I meant respectively time required to get, and skills amongst their own.
 
Blabber Boy:

Resist better next time before 'jumping in'. You speak much, but really say nothing. Also what you attempt to say has already been said in this thread. Read before you yap.
 
Judo_Warrior said:
A real Judo black belt would beat a BJJ black belt. The stand up grappling in Judo is WAY stronger than BJJ, like there is no competition, and for Ground(Newaza), I think both arts are equal except in Judo we are taught to rush and be very fast on the ground, but in BJJ they teach u to take ur time and hold them in ur guard for like the longest time. And just admit it Judo is clearly more effective than BJJ, its been proven a couple of times over time, First Kimura beats Helio, then Yoshida beats Royce in the grappling match, even if the decision was wrong, Yoshida controlled and dominated that fight.

Stop talking so much crap. If judo had nuts, you'd have them in your mouth.
 
Will Ju-Jitsu beat Judo on the ground?
In my experience, alot.
Will Judo beat Ju-Jitsu on the feat?
Almost always.

What should the Ju-Jitsu practitioner learn? Boxing. What should the Judo practitioner learn? Ju-Jitsu.
 
Shooto#1 said:
I can see that you are from sweden and then I would like 2 know who got their bb at the age of 14 as there is a minimum age of 16 until you can try 2 get your bb. Btw if u train at wasa you could ask your coach, dont you sometimes train with Polisen judo club?


yeah that's were i saw her, she could been older though, but she sure didn't look much older,
 
im currently going to bjj 3-4 times a week and after getting my arse kicked by a judo black belt in my white belt bjj fight i figured i need to improve my stand up alot.
would people recommend adding one night a week of judo or would that not be enough?
i have my next fight in february and i want to improve alot.
 
In response for someone in the beginning of the thread. Kimura and Yoshida was much heavier than their opponents. That's all.
 
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