Judo help: indentifying Rousey throw

[KJGould]

It's the outside hook looking sweep she lands in this gif. Is it a Kosoto Gake? Many thanks.

 

[ArTofF16hT1ng]

Yes.

 

[nomoremondays]

gifs cause my dirty computer much grief, but yes it did look like kosoto gake.

 

[ArTofF16hT1ng]

Actually no. The name escapes me.

 

[JudokaUK]

Ko soto gake is what I would go with, although I'm sure someone will dispute and claim it's Sukui nage or some such.

 

[PeterPain]

It is but it doesn't look clean because she follow with it.
I remind you that in Judo you get better point for clean sweeps.
In MMA, you need to be effective.

If you ask me her sweeps are OK in comparison to her transitions.

 

[Uchi Mata]

Pretty clearly kosoto gake. I don't really know what else you'd call it...maybe you could make a case for nidan kosoto gari, but why would you? Judo has too much terminology as it is.

 

[KJGould]

Thanks everyone

 

[shunyata]

No gi ko soto gari.

 

[Human Bass]

The whole gif is some crazy ass grappling. Ronda just doesn't settle and goes for the kill everytime.

 

[Shemhazai]

What makes it gake and not gari? It looks like a reap to me.

That being said, fuck that kind of nitpicking. It's an outside trip with the same side leg.

 

[EndlessCritic]

All I know is that Ronda's chain throwing is incredible, and any time I hear "All she's good at is one move", I want to stab my eyes out.

 

[Carrera26]

A Gake is a blocking hook that Uke is generally pushed over, and generally involves the entire leg.
A Gari is a reap that pulls the attacked leg out from under Uke, generally just with the foot or lower leg.

Tori's leg hits Uke's leg and stops - Gake
Tori's leg hits Uke's leg and follows through - Gari

It may sound picky but they really do describe very different attacks, at least as different to us as a Baseball choke and an X-choke.

 

[Saenchai]

as funny as it sounds, No gi judo favors trips and reaps rather than throws. hahaa.
Gi Judo is too hard to do foot sweeps and other stuff.

 

[Uchi Mata]

A Gake is a blocking hook that Uke is generally pushed over, and generally involves the entire leg.
A Gari is a reap that pulls the attacked leg out from under Uke, generally just with the foot or lower leg.

Tori's leg hits Uke's leg and stops - Gake
Tori's leg hits Uke's leg and follows through - Gari

It may sound picky but they really do describe very different attacks, at least as different to us as a Baseball choke and an X-choke.

Disagree. The two morph into one another depending on how you hit the entry, and they blend for everyone who uses them live in a way that a cross collar choke and a baseball choke literally could not do.

Competitive Judo guys really don't care much about whether it's 'gari' or 'gake', a hip throw or a leg throw, or any of the other needless terminology of Judo. I know, I used to be a very serious competitive Judoka. Hell, most BBs I've trained with call all foot sweeps 'ashi waza', even though if you wanted to you could break them down into 7-8 individual techniques according to the gokyo.

 

[Shemhazai]

I agree with Uchi Mata. If gake and gari had been mutually exclusive (like the cross choke and baseball choke, which are opposites), I would understand the relevance of the distinction, but as the Ronda GIF shows, the two can blend into a hybrid when uke is pushed over the leg AND the leg follows through. Now, I'm not saying this makes the nomenclature useless, but insisting on one term over the other in a case like this is quite pointless.

 

[Nathan LaMontagne]

Kosoto Gake (with a little dash of Tani Otoshi)

 

[Joe Dwarf]

Technically gake is a hook, a kind of upward motion, not really a push over a static blocking leg. I'd call this one ko soto gari as the leg motion is closer to a sweep although there is a bit of hook there too. You can say she was pushed over the leg but there is always a push, the throw like any other doesn't work without kuzushi. If you execute a classical ko soto gari the sweep should be just a helper, uke should be already way off-balanced to the back corner before the sweep comes. However if you watch competition footage you will often see them attack the leg from very low and trap it first, then add the push. You can see Ronda doing it that way lots in her judo days, it was one of her standard techniques standing.

 

[JudokaUK]

Gari when it's a reaping action.

Gake when it's an 'uprooting' action.

Relevant bit a 3.00-3:55



Ronda hooks the leg and then, pretty much the best way to describe what happens is an 'uprooting' not a reap or a sweep. Hence, if you're going to give it a Judo name, it's Ko soto gake.

 

[SuperSuperRambo]

Pretty sure that's a "Judo throw!" Pretty sure all Judo takdedowns are "Judo throw!"s.