Judo gys in BJJ competitions

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  1. serima

    serima Green Belt

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    I have noticed that lot of judo black belt's are comming to BJJ tournaments to fight in wight belt division. Have you noticed the same problem?
     
  2. serima

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    sorry for my bad english... Guys
     
  3. ARIS

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    Why is it a problem???
     
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    colinm Brown Belt

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    can't say ive seen it myself...but the easy solution to sandbagging judoka is to pull guard (god i fucking hate pulling guard, btw)
     
  5. serima

    serima Green Belt

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    I think is not fear that 15 of judo training and you can come to BJJ tournament to beat white belts
     
  6. stephensharp

    stephensharp Brown Belt

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    Umm, how is that any different than the years and years of BJJ players coming in and entering Judo comps as white belts?

    I say good on them, play in both worlds. It's a different sport, otherwise you'd automatically get rank when you cross trained. I'm a brown belt in Judo and a blue belt in BJJ... Should I have to face higher level guys in either sport just because of ranking in one or the other?

    Should pro kickboxers not be allowed to compete in amatuer MMA?
     
  7. Bolaojj

    Bolaojj Green Belt

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    A white belt from my school beat a Judo Black Belt who entered the white belt division, and another white belt from my school lost by one point to a judo black belt after being up on points for nearly the entire match. I saw another Judo Black Belt enter the purple, brown, and black belt division and barely lose in the finals. I don't think that a black belt in judo means that you aren't a white belt in BJJ, but some are clearly above that level. It should be up to the individual and their coach to decide what level is appropriate for them to enter.
     
  8. 1snowman

    1snowman Banned Banned

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    It is up to the BJJ coach to place the fighter at an appropriate level. I got my Black belt in judo in Japan (I did it in 3 years) because I was a state finalist in wrestling in FLA and I was throwing the judo black belts around... when I was a white belt. Obviously, I got pushed through pretty quickly.

    After a knee injury, I got into BJJ to recoup. I worked at Gracie Barra Orlando, which is no joke of a school. Within 6 months I had my Blue, all because, yes, I was tapping Blues and Purples AND I already had the Judo black belt.

    So, it is up to the sensei to determine what level you are in either sport. A good sensei will place you where you will be challenged, and not where you will dominate.

    It also up to the fighter to determine what level is appropriate for them, and to try to get into weight classes/belt divisions that appropriate.
     
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    1snowman Banned Banned

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    I think if you pull guard, doesn't that count as a point for the guy you pulled guard on? IE the other guy gets a takedown?
     
  10. Dedicado

    Dedicado Machetero

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    No, he gets no point 1snowman, maybe a moral victory, but no score.

    I see a lot of high ranking Judo and TJJ guys going in as whitebelts in BJJ. They can get away with it because the styles aren't linked in terms of rank. Like someone said, a belt in one doesn't get you the same rank in the other. It sucks for the rest of us novices who might have a rank in Judo, but is nowhere near as high as a black belt. These guys are "ringers", they are hand-picked by their coaches to take that division. The only thing to do is to fight hard and not worry about it.
     
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    No they should not be allowed to nor can they.
     
  12. colinm

    colinm Brown Belt

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    in most tournaments....no. the guard pull is the ultimate unskilled counter to a judo guy. just like pushing a a bjj specialist against the fence is the ultimate no skill way to nullify guard attacks in ufc.
     
  13. judogido

    judogido Aussie!, Aussie!, Aussie! ...

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    What choice do they have? If they have not earned a blue/purple belt & have never competed in BJJ competition before then they ARE white belts.

    Do you think a Judo black belt would take ANY pride in beating a BJJ white belt? Dont you think that they have more to lose and less to gain?

    If they win it's "Sure he won, but he's a Judo BB against white belts".

    If they lose its "Hey look, that Judo BB just got beaten by a BJJ white belt!" - (and the white belt will be on Sherdog Grappling forum the next day with a thread about how he beat a Judo Black Belt...)
     
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    Best Thread Ever.
     
  15. phenomfan1529

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    great point dude
     
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    If he's a prolific judoka, I'm sure he'd fight advanced.
     
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    I'd be interested to see how a BJJ practioner faired in a Judo Tournament.
     
  18. Bubble Boy

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    Someone told me that during sign up for BJJ tournaments they ask about other martial arts experience, and rank. If a judo black belt pops up on the radar then he's got to compete at least blue belt.

    I totally think a judo black belt competeing white belt is sandbagging it, and visa versa for the black belt BJJers competeing as a white belt in Judo. However, I don't think there's some big organized plan to just win, win, win and thus sandbag it. I think that anyone who does this stuff is probably trying to get a feel for where they are in the different style. I'm competeing in my first BJJ tournament this month after 5 years of Judo, and everyone I spoke with, both Judo and Bjjers, said to compete at white belt since it was my first BJJ tournament. I kept thinking actually that I should try the blue belt division, but all the Bjjers advised me strongly to compete white belt. What do you think bjjers would advise me if I were a black belt?

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  19. Bubble Boy

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    Great post judogido. You're so right. It's the ole' "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation.
     
  20. judogido

    judogido Aussie!, Aussie!, Aussie! ...

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    :icon_excl Awesome, mate. You planning on taking any video to post here? I'm not even gonna ask if you'll make a thread about how you went because I'm sure THATS a given....
     

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