Judo Guys, What to do when Mr. Iron Grip grabs your sleeve?

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  1. Cardio

    Cardio Blue Belt

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    Somebody with a very strong grip grabs your sleve with one or twohhands/


    My questions:


    - What to do to break the one hand grip,,, ?

    - What to do to break the two hand grip,,, ?
     
  2. Cojofl

    Cojofl Brown Belt

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    There's a load of techniques you can do. I don't think a lot of people grasp just how technical the grip game is.

    A simple one to break the single grip is:

    - Grab their sleeve just above the wrist (on the arm that they're using to control) with your free hand.
    - Simultaneously: Pull your gripped arm away from them, take a big step back with your foot on that side, twist your trunk away from them and pull their hand that you just gripped towards their head.

    Not really a huge amount some can do with a two handed same handed sleeve grip, do watch out for the sumi gaeshi though. If that happens to me, I'd usually drop my knee and forearm on the gripped side to the ground and pick their ankle with my free hand. When they come up bring the ankle up with them.
     
  3. judogido

    judogido Aussie!, Aussie!, Aussie! ...

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    If someone takes a grip I cant break I usually just turn in for a throw.

    EG; if they are RH'ed and grip with their LH to your RH sleeve, I turn for a left tai-otoshi/seoi-otoshi, jamming my free hand's forearm into the crook of their gripping arm as I turn.

    Whether you step fully across with the leg, or just with a half entry - they will either let go/loosen the grip or they will get thrown because they are gripping so hard.

    Same techanique applies to a strong RH lapel grip - simply grab the forearm with both hands and turn.
     
  4. Cardio

    Cardio Blue Belt

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  5. Bubble Boy

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    Well Cardio, you got basically two of the best posters on the subject right out of the gate with Cojofl and judogido. Pay attention to what they say my grappling brother.

    I'd add this:

    Try a quick "egg-beater" motion with your arm that is gripped. Just spin it like a mad man around and around their grip (either clockwise, counter clockwise, or both) and see if that does it. It may not, but it's worth a quick try sometimes.

    I think part of the key is to be aggresive if you're going to try to rip your arm free. Go a bit ballistic if you really want to get the grip free.

    If you're talking standup, I'd also say to really move as you're working on freeing your arm from your opponents grips. If you just stand there you will be tossed. Move around as you work your sleeve free.
     
  6. judogido

    judogido Aussie!, Aussie!, Aussie! ...

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    Thanks BubbleBoy - you know your sh*t too, mate - dont worry......

    Actually I rather like the "eggbeater" technique. Sometimes, instead of breaking the grip - I simply "vine" my arm around theirs (ie; from the inside, around the outside and back to the inside) and grip their lapel.

    Very uncomfortable for them to hang on + you now have a strong lapel grip.
     
  7. Cardio

    Cardio Blue Belt

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    Thanks for than answers guys. My question actually has two reasons. 1 is I that I'm really interested in Judo, not only to supplement my BJJ but to compete and as a self defense. Just havent started yet, but at my first BJJ tourney against a BB Judoka that was one of my main problems, he would get a mega-grip on my sleeve and I wasted too much energy trying to break it (standup). I eventually got thrown.

    2. Last night something weird happened. We were at a dinner gathering and some of the children were playing and I guess one young child hit another young girl because she was throwing rocks at him. So the young girls mother comes out and starts attacking ALL of the children. So my friend, (who is tall 20something years old) and I are coming down the elevator and we come outside and this lady is beating these children and my friend is standing around. Then this guy comes and grabs my friend by two hands on one sleeve and tells him to get inside his car. My friend is like, "WHO IS THIS [email protected]!? - I don't even know you!!" He tries to break the grip but cannot. The guy is telling him to get into his CAR and he can't get away! The guy turns out to be a plainclothes police officer picking on somebody.

    I didn't know how effective a two hand sleeve grip was at keeping someone and I was thinking, what if some random guy did that to me? How would I break the grip?
     
  8. Waxwingslain

    Waxwingslain oiseau rebelle

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    Couldn't you just punch them in the face?

    Sorry, that's probably not very helpful...
     
  9. SmashiusClay

    SmashiusClay Avatar of Cyttorak

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    I was thinking a stomp kick to the front of the knee while setting up a wrist lock or arm lock. If you're talking about competition I either use a "eggbeater technique" similar to the one Bubble boy was talking about or I work on turning to pull that side away from my opponent while moving backwards and dropping my weight. I've even gone as far as using a sort of jumping double footed stomp to really wrench my opponent off balance, if they still hang on they're probably off balance anyway and could be thrown.
     
  10. Cardio

    Cardio Blue Belt

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    Originally Posted by Waxwingslain
    Couldn't you just punch them in the face?

    no, lol, basically breaking the grip while asking for the guy's ID was the main concern.

    The guy was more in a restraining mode than an all out fighting mode, so getting away, breaking the grip until the guy identifies himself would be the main priority. Mainly concerned about the 2 grips on 1 sleve defense.
     
  11. demolidor77

    demolidor77 Blue Belt

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    Do it Jacare style, grab if elbow and pull him to you bending their wrist.
     
  12. Flounder

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    I don't know. If someone puts their hands on me like that w/o identifying themselves, good chance I'm going to start swinging. I'm not a fighter by any means, but I'm not going to wait for him to start swinging either.
     
  13. Cardio

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    Yeah, it seemed preety weird.
     

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