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Discussion in 'Standup Technique' started by judogido, Sep 9, 2005.

  1. judogido

    judogido Aussie!, Aussie!, Aussie! ...

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    Okay - have a look at the video attached. When you have finished laughing, feel free to give me some advice. Or not.

    I'm a judoka - never boxed before. Never trained ANY striking (Oh, I lie, I did 2 MT sessions once, plus I've watched Rocky & Bloodsport a few times....)

    So one of my wife's friends hears I do Judo (& have been for a long time) and on my birthday I get an unexpected present with a card saying "for your Judo training". Surprise surprise, some 16ox thai boxing gloves. Yeah, those are SURE to vastly improve my freaking Judo techniques.

    But, since there's a full length bag hanging in my dojo (which the Sumo class use for their practice) I figure I'll have some fun. And why not take a video & post it on Sherdog.

    I'm toying with the idea of taking MT on a more regular basis, maybe mid next year. Clearly I need to learn some basics (yes, I'm gonna look through the FAQ etc... and King Kabuki posted an awesome sounding bag routine in the stickies - probably too advanced for me but anyway).

    At the moment I'm just throwing sh#t at the bag & hoping it looks good plus it's a good workout - something different for me. So gimme some feedback & a starting point for some basics.

    .... and if anyone posts "Stick with Judo"... I'd tell you to STFU but you'd probably be right....
     
  2. judogido

    judogido Aussie!, Aussie!, Aussie! ...

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  3. judogido

    judogido Aussie!, Aussie!, Aussie! ...

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    Oh yes, the bit where I stop & examine my shin? Thats me going "darn that actually hurts..."
     
  4. Michael Wanaka

    Michael Wanaka Amateur Fighter

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    Just some really basic things I noticed. I'm sure there's loads more king kabuki could tell you.

    For starters, keep your non punching hand up when you punch instead of dropping it down to your shoulder.

    Also, you need to have both feet on the ground when you throw that right cross. Several times your right foot comes off the ground as the cross connects. Keep it on the ground and pivot as you punch (squish the bug kids!).

    Keep your elbows in when you punch. You have them raised as of now.

    Not bad for a complete beginner. I'm not going to go into the kicks at all though. I'm sure someone else will.
     
  5. Wild Dan Hibiki

    Wild Dan Hibiki Black Belt

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    LOL @ the bday present, if u dont want it, send it over here :D
     
  6. judogido

    judogido Aussie!, Aussie!, Aussie! ...

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    Thanks, Mike. I'll take it on board for next session. I'm pretty sure my kicks are not right. The bag is quite hard and my shins were already pretty sore from working the bag before I took the video so the kicks were somewhat half-hearted. I'm trying to kick with my shin rather than foot and put some weight behind it rather than just to do a pretty but otherwise useless kick.

    Basically I need to start right from the beginning and learn how to throw a punch & kick correctly, basic bag routines, basic combinations etc. so I have some research ahead of me in the FAQ & links to some sites. (or - a novel idea - I could actually go do some proper MT training....hmmm, just so crazy it might actually work.....)

    When I started I found some info on wrapping my hands but that's as far as I got.
     
  7. judogido

    judogido Aussie!, Aussie!, Aussie! ...

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    Nah, I'll keep 'em, sorry mate. I've always had a lot of respect for MT & have wanted to do and indefinite "something" for a long time.

    I'd just really like to know how judo randori would work if everyone wore 16oz boxing gloves... :D
     
  8. Jason Pair

    Jason Pair Amateur Fighter

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    Not bad at all considering your stand-up experience.. One minor thing is don't so straight up you want to be bent at the knee/squatted alittle down kinda when working on the bag. You'll get more power in your strikes that way and have better movement..

    (I MMA spar all the time with 16 oz gloves when I don't have my MMA training gloves handy. I also love upper-body throws and judo throws. It's acually rather fun. lol.)
     
  9. ballie

    ballie White Belt

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    the punching isn't that bad for a beginner
    but do mind your feet stay on the ground
    the bent thing is also very true

    those kicks look like there's not much power in them..
    you should start it with a turn in the hips and swing your leg into the bag like a bat, and try to do it as explosive as you can, if it's a low-kick you can maybe try to lean away a bit to protect yourself from being punched in the face
     
  10. toasty

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    You are too square to the bag in my opinion, try to have your lead shoulder point more to the bag and not the middle of your chest pointing to it, try to bend a little...throw some hooks to the body and head, bounce a little less so you can work on getting your hands right before worrying about the feet so much...I like the fact that it hurt your shins cause that shows you are trying hard, turn your hip over a little more so your shin is striking into and almost down when you hit the bag....and tell me where I canget a MR. T shirt like that..

    keep at it...
     
  11. TapDG

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    Yea..really use your hips in those kicks especially leg kicks..turn your whole body into them..Your shins are gonna be sore but they will eventually get harder and you'll get used to it.
     
  12. deadlyshaolin

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    What a fantastic idea -- posting up videos for others to critique. I mean that sincerely.

    As others have already said, not bad for a near first-timer. I have a few pointers:

    - Your jab is pretty good, you have the right idea. Your right cross could be improved by rotating more with your hips and upper body; right now you're a bit too square at impact. Always remember to keep your non-punching hand up when you're punching.

    - in GENERAL, your hips could move a lot more. Right now your hips are a bit static... remember that all of your power is generated from them (both punches and kicks). Be like water, my friend... fluid.

    - No offense, but your kicking form needs a lot of work that is beyond the scope of this thread. Again, the hips, but also there needs to be more complementary movement of the arms and upper body.

    Hope this helps.
     
  13. I-Shoji

    I-Shoji Green Belt

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    Ok the biggest thing to start with is your footwork.

    I assume being a judo guy learning standup you wanna make your standup MMA-Style, which means you have to be aware of a takedown.

    So having said that at all times keep your stance fairly square. You tend to have your left foot leading a bit too far. You should stand about shoulderwidth apart, and your back foot should start about where your front foot ends. If you draw a line from the heel of your leading foot, your back foot's toes should start right behind that line. This is the best sort of stance to be able to throw techniques and also have a good sprawl accessible. Having that front leg out too far will just get you shot in on with more ease.

    The next thing to note about footwork is NEVER cross your feet over, moving laterally or especially backwards. In fact, even advancing on someone step with the leading foot and then pull the rear up in a sort of shuffle. A wrestler looks for a takedown at all times and seing you cross your feet is like a big "jackpot" sign with lights going off. Practice firing off the jab while moving around the bag using this proper stance and stepping.

    You can't throw proper techniques with a bad base. it's this way for Judo, and striking is no exception.
     
  14. I-Shoji

    I-Shoji Green Belt

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    Ok lesson 2.

    Move on to this only after really spending time with the footwork. Keep a consistent stance for now. Going from having the left leg leading to throwing a punch and suddenly having the right leading is something you don't want to do at first. Don't confuse your body. You have to throw the proper technique at least 1000 times before it becomes part of your body's natural muscle memory ( and all that shit) so don't confuse the issue.

    Now to tweak ur jab. It looks pretty good. However, you are using it too much as filler. For now, start with the idea that you only throw the jab using your proper stance and footwork. Combos come later, so get that jab right first and pretend it's your only weapon.
    -flick it, don't push with it. It doesn't have to hit hard, but it DEFINATELY needs to not be readable.
    -extend it and bring it back at least as quick up high to block.
    -practice throwing it moving to the side, backwards, and especially moving in. Throwing it from the distance you are doing on the vid is ok at first to get the mechanics down, but will have you confused and at a loss when sparring someone that does NOT stay close to where you will touch him extending your hand out :p So practice moving in with the jab right away.

    The way to do this is to take a bigger step with the leading leg and the rear foot slides in behind it all while throwing the punch. Feel your body follow the punch. Your fist moves first. If you step first the element of suprise is gone.

    -practice throwing it with varying head position. This will make it harder for your oponent to counter as you throw it. One time throw it ducking your head forward and in, other times throw it with the head held kinda high and back...etc.

    Once you got all that down move on to a 1,2....
     
  15. I-Shoji

    I-Shoji Green Belt

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    Ok, now that you've thrown a bazillion jabs, all the while moving around the bag using proper stance and footwork, it's time to tag on a right straight.

    A good way to progressively practice this is to move around the bag keeping realistic distance from it (as if it is a live oponent) and move in with that jab, stepping back out or throwing a second jab (first jab you step in with, second you are already in close) and then moving back out. The jab will open the door for the cross. Generally you throw the cross when the jab lands. If your jab is blocked, the cross is not likely to land and will be more of a commitment and thus have a higher chance of being countered in a way that is bad for you.

    Your right straight needs some work. The punch itself is ok, speed is pretty good... You move in with your head the exact same way thowing it, and someone looking to counter will do so heavily knowing where to find your head. Especially since right now on the vid you are putting little emphasis on the jab landing good. Don't treat the jab as a filler until you can throw the cross. Take a little more time to see that jab landed nicely and stung him bofore the cross comes out after it. Don't always move the head in throwing it either. It's hard to see the form on your cross perfectly because you are always in the same spot and your body and head is blocking your shoulder from view. Perhaps make a new vid once you implement some of this stuff moving around the bag more so we can get other angles on you.

    If you like the advice you're getting ofcourse :p


    ALWAYS bring the right crossing arm back to your face (at first exagurate and after throwing it touch your cheek with it) It's a very good thing when first learning the punching and throwing tons of jabs and 1,2's to have the hand that is not punching touching the cheek on the side of the body the arm is on, and making a point to bring it back to the guard after throwing the punch religiously.

    So now move around the bag, stepping in with a jab, and back out. In-out, in-out. Do this imagining an oponent, and then when you imagine landing that jab good, bam. Throw the right. Throw it and move back out bringing it back to your cheek. Cuz he probably blocked it. You don't want to be all in his shit after he blocked your cross now do you?

    You get the idea?
     
  16. diamondsoul

    diamondsoul Brown Belt

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    When you throw combos you may want to alternate sides as you strike, it gives you a really good flow. For example, if you striked with your left hand, follow with a right kick. In the video I saw you throw a jab-cross followed by a right kick. Avoid doing this. Instead, when you finish with your right cross, do a left kick. Left, right, left. Don't go left, right, right, there's no momentum there. Ask an instructor to show you a "Shift-kick", that's what you will need to throw after your jab-cross.

    Your looking great for a beginner, well done.
     
  17. aaron_mag

    aaron_mag Purple Belt

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    Thanks for the vid. I enjoyed it. I liked what I-Shoji said about working the jab like it is your only weapon. In the limited boxing training I got we worked the jab religiously. The jab was, supposedly, the survival technique.
     
  18. Metafour

    Metafour 武士道

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    Your not bad for having hardly any training keep working on your standup you will only get better. The biggest problem I am seeing is your footwork. You look kind of uneasy on your feet when your striking and moving.
     
  19. chlorox

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    Rather than trying to learn the basics before going to MT class, I would recommend
    going to NT classes for the basics....some people have trouble unlearning stuff...just my two cents

    In my perspective, nice jab, you throw more of a right hook than a cross and you are really not kicking at this point. You seem to be athletic and well coordinated, so, you will be real good with some goof instruction (not the online variety :)
     
  20. Freestyler

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    Looks good for no training at all...Put more power in those kicks and if it hurts that much get some shin pads. Jab looks good but footwork like everyone else said looks to be a problem. Liftin the foot is opening the door for gettin dropped or a takedown. Keep it up.
     

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