sambosteve Martial Artist, Coach, Stunt Performer @purple Joined Apr 5, 2005 Messages 1,772 Reaction score 1 Sep 6, 2010 #21 FYI Interview With Stephen Koepfer | Submission Control
P Pragmatic Blue Belt Joined Dec 13, 2009 Messages 500 Reaction score 0 Sep 6, 2010 #22 same origins, they are similar sports with different rules