Law Judge Hannah Dugan arrested by FBI for allegedly helping undocumented immigrant 'evade arrest'

[James Bomb]

Again, she’s not being arrested for not detaining him.

Not assisting in an arrest is not the same thing as assisting in a getaway by creating a diversion. Which she stands accused of.

This is a bunch of nonsense. In order for there to be a conviction, there has to be an actual crime committed. If she's not under any duty to assist the agents in making an arrest, then it's going to take a lot more than "she didn't stop him from using a side door" to make that happen.

What you’re referring to is the sanctuary city debate still being heard in the Supreme Court.

That is simply not honoring detainers. That means if an illegal is being released, then the
Jailhouse /court doesn't have to alert ICE to this event or hold the subject for ICE beyond that point.

And they don’t have to release somebody early for ICE.

So it leaves ICE a very very tight window to make an arrest with no notice of when the time is right.

Being unhelpful does not equal direct obstruction. Atleast not yet, we’ll see how that sanctuary city case shakes out

There is a lot more plausible deniability there then simply “go talk to this person while I sneak the person you’re looking for and know is here out the side door”

The precedent in this case is pretty clear, even at the Supreme Court level. The Federal Government can't force state and local governments to assist them in Federal immigration cases unless they have a judicial warrant. Due process. Maybe the Supreme Court lays another shit egg and says otherwise, but that's unlikely.

But they still can’t prevent ICE from entering the jailhouse, courthouse, or anywhere even in sanctuary cities.

Nobody was asking this judge to be a deputy and hog tie this guy. She was mad because she disagrees with a policy and they were in the right place at the right time to get their man. She did everything in her power to prevent them from performing a legal arrest. That. Is. Illegal.

Nope, if state and local officials don't have to assist federal agents as a matter of law, then you can't criminalize the behavior when they exercise those rights. That's what makes this attempt at prosecution so beyond the pale. No other administration in history would have made this sort of move, even Nixon.

It's just another example of the party of "don't tread on me" and "states' rights" actively cheering when the boot tries to come down hard on somebody they don't like.

 

[Kingz]

I know I'm arguing with a room temperature IQ Trumper cult dead-ender, but let's take a look at the required elements for the charges brought in this case.


This charge is likely to be dropped before ever going to trial, because there is not a federal warrant issued for Eduardo Flores-Ruiz. When you fail the first element, the judge is probably going to dismiss that particular charge during pre-trial motions, if the US Attorney doesn't drop it first.


"Corruptly" in this context usually means acting with the purpose of improperly influencing or obstructing — often for personal gain or to avoid legal consequences.

I'm sure Pam Bondi and her army of FedSoc lawyers are going to argue that Dugan did this for some sort of political gain. It's not likely that argument is going to fly in court though. It's not a crime to choose not to voluntarily assist ICE agents in performing their duties.

And even worse for the government's potential case, there is the 10th Amendment argument that Dugan's counsel is almost certainly going to use as part of her defense. Because as an Officer of the Court, she can't be compelled to assist with immigration enforcement, which is an implied federal power and protected by precedents regarding the separation of powers and the "Guarantee Clause" of Article Four, which is ironically often invoked by right wing governors to justify unsuccessful attempts at enforcing their own hardline state immigration laws.

3 and 4

You don’t need to gain personally for knowingly helping somebody evade arrest by misleading agents to be a crime or corrupt. You’re still arguing on grounds that she is being arrested for not assisting them in the arrest. She isn’t.

She’ll have to explain why she sent off the agents to talk to somebody who couldn’t help them, quickly adjourned the hearing during a time frame she thought she had to help this person evade arrest, and snuck him(and his lawyer) through her chambers.

That’s not normal procedure. That’s not a “oh sorry, ya just missed him..prove you didnt”.

Unless she normally personally escorts previously deported defendants on trial for assault and battery through her chambers.

Come on. If that is how it happened and there is likely plenty of witnesses, including the illegal and his lawyer. It’s clear obstruction and you look ridiculous trying to claim it’s not.

Blatantly helping an illegal avoid arrest will not fall under simply “not assisting”

A judge already agreed when they signed off on the warrant. She fucked up. Got emotional and did something stupid

 

[cottagecheesefan]

I a surprised they were able to identify her. Seems like quite a ninja

 

[Mr Holmes]

I a surprised they were able to identify her. Seems like quite a ninja

Looks like she makes her health a top priority.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

See my last post, this case is probably doomed by decades of case law regarding immigration enforcement by federal agents.

And there's strong precedent that it clearly violates the Tenth Amendment.

I don't believe an officer of the court can aid and abet without consequence.

Much like the judge that resigned after his property was raided while illegals lived in his guest house has been banned from ever being a judge again.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

I know I'm arguing with a room temperature IQ Trumper cult dead-ender, but let's take a look at the required elements for the charges brought in this case.


This charge is likely to be dropped before ever going to trial, because there is not a federal warrant issued for Eduardo Flores-Ruiz. When you fail the first element, the judge is probably going to dismiss that particular charge during pre-trial motions, if the US Attorney doesn't drop it first.


"Corruptly" in this context usually means acting with the purpose of improperly influencing or obstructing — often for personal gain or to avoid legal consequences.

I'm sure Pam Bondi and her army of FedSoc lawyers are going to argue that Dugan did this for some sort of political gain. It's not likely that argument is going to fly in court though. It's not a crime to choose not to voluntarily assist ICE agents in performing their duties.

And even worse for the government's potential case, there is the 10th Amendment argument that Dugan's counsel is almost certainly going to use as part of her defense. Because as an Officer of the Court, she can't be compelled to assist with immigration enforcement, which is an implied federal power and protected by precedents regarding the separation of powers and the "Guarantee Clause" of Article Four, which is ironically often invoked by right wing governors to justify unsuccessful attempts at enforcing their own hardline state immigration laws.

Kind of skipping some parts aren't you?

Whoever harbors or conceals any person for whose arrest a warrant or process has been issued under the provisions of any law of the United.

 

[Whippy McGee]

She literally aided an illegal alien criminal to escape the law.

Keep going Lefties... we're not taking your shovel away. Dig that hole deeper!

World.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Kind of skipping some parts aren't you?

Whoever harbors or conceals any person for whose arrest a warrant or process has been issued under the provisions of any law of the United.

Yeah, if you read the court doc, she literally kicked ICE and DEA out of the courtroom so she could escort the illegal alien and his Attorney out the official only back door. Where ICE and DEA were waiting to grab him. He ran and they chased him.

 

[James Bomb]

3 and 4

You don’t need to gain personally for knowingly helping somebody evade arrest by misleading agents to be a crime or corrupt. You’re still arguing on grounds that she is being arrested for not assisting them in the arrest. She isn’t.

She’ll have to explain why she sent off the agents to talk to somebody who couldn’t help them, quickly adjourned the hearing during a time frame she thought she had to help this person evade arrest, and snuck him(and his lawyer) through her chambers.

Obstruction usually requires some sort of active intent to hinder justice. And they will need to prove all the elements of the crime for a jury to hand down a conviction. Telling the agents to talk to "somebody that couldn't help them" A.K.A the Chief Judge of the County Circuit who is responsible for setting the court's immigration policy and who directed the judges in the building to do just that seems like a very reasonable thing to do under the circumstances.

And the judge didn't "sneak him through her chambers". They left through a side door that leads to the public part of the courthouse and got into an elevator with a DEA agent. Flores-Ruiz was soon confronted by agents in front of the courthouse and was arrested after a short chase. The whole incident took 22 minutes from start to end. Again, these are facts that don't help the prosecution's case.

On the other side, she doesn't have to explain her actions, it's on the prosecution to prove without a reasonable doubt that she committed the alleged crime. It's not just "an FBI agent thought so". These are specifically the sort of charges that often get dropped because the charges rely on the opinion of the arresting officers, who will almost always think that they did the right thing and the arrested party violated the law based on nothing other than their own opinions and feelings at the time.

That’s not normal procedure. That’s not a “oh sorry, ya just missed him..prove you didnt”.

Unless she normally personally escorts previously deported defendants on trial for assault and battery through her chambers.

Again, she didn't send anybody through her chambers. Or escort them personally. It's hard to take you seriously when you can't be honest about the simple facts of the case.

Come on. If that is how it happened and there is likely plenty of witnesses, including the illegal and his lawyer. It’s clear obstruction and you look ridiculous trying to claim it’s not.

Blatantly helping an illegal avoid arrest will not fall under simply “not assisting”

A judge already agreed when they signed off on the warrant. She fucked up. Got emotional and did something stupid

It happens again and again that the right wing media gets you low information guys all lathered about something and it turns out to be total bullshit upon further explanation. And then you sulk off and complain that everything is rigged and it's Deep State or Lord Soros that's responsible. Like the Kraken lawsuits, the Alex Jones verdicts, the Michael Flynn case or Marine Le Pen getting nicked for stealing from the EU treasury.

The fact that you guys keep arguing that Trump's actual felony convictions for keeping two sets of books, which is the quintessential white collar fraud crime pattern, are somehow "lawfare" and "weaponization of justice" when his lackeys are trying to do stuff like this stunt to distract people after his immigration policies keep losing in federal court is just unintentionally comical. Don't ever grow up.

 

[James Bomb]

I don't believe an officer of the court can aid and abet without consequence.

Much like the judge that resigned after his property was raided while illegals lived in his guest house has been banned from ever being a judge again.

It's a real stretch in this case, which is why the charges will probably be dropped

 

[James Bomb]

Kind of skipping some parts aren't you?

Whoever harbors or conceals any person for whose arrest a warrant or process has been issued under the provisions of any law of the United.

An ICE detainer isn't a process under federal law. It's basically an administrative memo issued from within the agency itself.

 

[fortheo]

DumDum, did you even read the court doc from the arrest?

Are you referring to the affidavit for her arrest?

 

[PainIsLIfe]

An ICE detainer isn't a process under federal law. It's basically an administrative memo issued from within the agency itself.

Then explain what a process is under federal law. Its obviously something less than a warrant.

Here is what I find:
This can include formal notices like summonses, subpoenas, and warrants.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Which of our sher-lawyers will call this one correctly ?

 

[cottagecheesefan]

This is fucking crazy. The trump admin is going after democrat state employees now. If you can’t smuggle illegals for 12k a pop, then we might as well say good bye to the rule of law and democracy itself

 

[Scerpi]

3 and 4

You don’t need to gain personally for knowingly helping somebody evade arrest by misleading agents to be a crime or corrupt. You’re still arguing on grounds that she is being arrested for not assisting them in the arrest. She isn’t.

She’ll have to explain why she sent off the agents to talk to somebody who couldn’t help them, quickly adjourned the hearing during a time frame she thought she had to help this person evade arrest, and snuck him(and his lawyer) through her chambers.

That’s not normal procedure. That’s not a “oh sorry, ya just missed him..prove you didnt”.

Unless she normally personally escorts previously deported defendants on trial for assault and battery through her chambers.

Come on. If that is how it happened and there is likely plenty of witnesses, including the illegal and his lawyer. It’s clear obstruction and you look ridiculous trying to claim it’s not.

Blatantly helping an illegal avoid arrest will not fall under simply “not assisting”

A judge already agreed when they signed off on the warrant. She fucked up. Got emotional and did something stupid

That’s a long wordy description of the term “abetting”

lol…. just like all of us peasants, this judge will get her day in court

About time

 

[James Bomb]

Then explain what a process is under federal law. Its obviously something less than a warrant.

Here is what I find:
This can include formal notices like summonses, subpoenas, and warrants.

Yeah, it's any sort of formal document that compels somebody to do something on behalf of the court or otherwise subjects somebody to its authority.

Warrant, summons, subpoenas, indictments, etc...

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Yeah, it's any sort of formal document that compels somebody to do something on behalf of the court or otherwise subjects somebody to its authority.

Warrant, summons, subpoenas, indictments, etc...

I'll wait and see since it seems an officer of the court has further obligations than Joe Schmoe would.

 

[Seano]

Play stupid games, etc.

Imagine a judge hiding a criminal from law enforcement. I have to admit, this has gone a bit more to the ridiculous side thanI anticipated it could.

 

[Scerpi]

Play stupid games, etc.

Imagine a judge hiding a criminal from law enforcement. I have to admit, this has gone a bit more to the ridiculous side thanI anticipated it could.