Jon's legacy

[Lionheart7167]

The history books often read very differently than our own perceptions of fighters, especially as they're shaped in real time.
Ali is practically untouchable, and only true historians remember that the latter half of his career sucked.
I suspect his indiscretions (personal difficulties, who he didn't fight) will only be a footnote, or an asterisk.
At the end of the day, he will be recognized as the GOAT, who had some personal problems, but retired undefeated (well, you know...).

 

[r-harper-1]

The CLEAR goat

 

[gspieler]

He's the GOAT LHW, controversies and all. He's not even on the map for overall GOAT discussion.

 

[icemun]

Jones is the best to EVER do it

No one comes close


His greatness genuinely makes hater pussies HURT on this forum

Jones is without question, the greatest martial artists we've ever seen and no one comes close at this point, regardless of emotions

 

[icemun]

Lots of stains to even be the UFC goat. Maybe give it to GSP, he had a clean career.

Fedor is the real GOAT of course.

 

[DanaWhitesButler]

Eh?

Fedor's only losses are the bullshit one to TK, twice to guys on TRT, once to a guy who popped for trenbolone later in his career, and then three times after the age of 40.

So which humiliating losses are you referring to - the ones where he was fighting men with a pharmaceutical advantage, or the ones when he was an old man?

"Fedor's only losses are...[goes on to name 7 losses]" lol A 6 fight losing skid (excluding the early loss) is humiliation. GSP is the GOAT

 

[fedorthegoat777]

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Good one.
Fedor lost a few fights at the end. I didn't realize this.
Now que GSP vs Serra or Jones vs. USDA.

 

[Alpha_T83]

This will be Jon's legacy:

 

[ShaggyDoyle]

More like Jones is a coward who only fights guys smaller than him, older than him or have little to no ground game. Put him up against someone his size that he can't ragdoll on the ground and he ducks.

 

[fractal]

This is what got Shawn Michaels beat up by a couple of Marines outside a bar 1 night LOL.

My fave wrestler of all time, but the guy just asked for it. Vince said it best here about his attitude

 

[icemun]

Good one.
Fedor lost a few fights at the end. I didn't realize this.
Now que GSP vs Serra or Jones vs. USDA.

Fedor was getting destroyed by 40 year MW is his early 30s

GSP avenged his losses

and Jones, well...

 

[icemun]

More like Jones is a coward who only fights guys smaller than him, older than him or have little to no ground game. Put him up against someone his size that he can't ragdoll on the ground and he ducks.

Hmmm....

 

[swarrrm]

Hmmm....


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Bum, robbery, can't wrestle, loss, egregious robbery, bum, 45 y/o pulled out of retirement, bum

 

[Bwagster]

I’m hoping that Jon ends up fighting, but at this point I’ve lost all hope. I’m kind of surprised that the UFC hasn’t stripped him.

 

[JKS]

He's the GOAT LHW, controversies and all. He's not even on the map for overall GOAT discussion.

Not on the map for overall goat?? Who in mma has done so much more to not even have Jon on the map??

 

[JKS]

In 25 years of watching this sport and seeing all the goats careers from start to finish, I see legacies based on two things. The first will always outweigh the second, but the second is still important.

1. Performance - wins/losses, resume, title defenses, dominance, finishes etc.

2. Competitiveness and overall ambition to fight - This is more about being a strong competitor and fighting the best and not letting the politics get in the way.

I think in terms of Jon's legacy, he's got more than enough in the bank from what he did at LHW and moving up to HW to have a great legacy and the best of all time. Sure, he had close fights and the second half of his LHW run had lesser comp. But all fighters and champs have close fights and by that time, Jon already beat all the great LHWs

I think if doesn't fight Aspinal it will taint his legacy and leave a dark cloud over it. But it will still be enough to be the best legacy there was in the sport.

 

[icemun]

Bum, robbery, can't wrestle, loss, egregious robbery, bum, 45 y/o pulled out of retirement, bum

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English?

 

[gspieler]

Not on the map for overall goat?? Who in mma has done so much more to not even have Jon on the map??

Fedor, Anderson, GSP, DJ, Aldo all stronger cases. Jon simply has too many strikes against his legacy to be considered with those competitors.

 

[JKS]

Fedor, Anderson, GSP, DJ, Aldo all stronger cases. Jon simply has too many strikes against his legacy to be considered with those competitors.

What strikes exactly?? PEDs?

 

[SpamuraiSensei]

Prime Fedor is the GOAT.

Jon Jones is the best pound for pound.

Yeah, he got caught cheating, but at the end of the day be beat that booty. "He cheated!, yeah but you got knocked out"

GSP has the best clean legacy.