joneses takedown attempts failed because...

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  1. anesthetized

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    to me they seemed poorly timed and not well set up with strikes.

    not to take away from gus. he sprawled well and used his hips awesome.

    but it seems like maybe jones hasn't had to time his takedown in the past. he relied on shooting at will and using his upper body strength to overwhelm his opponent.

    why does he he shoot his takedowns like this?
     
  2. ZellJr

    ZellJr Blue Belt

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    What's your point?
     
  3. jiujitsuforever

    jiujitsuforever Banned Banned

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    tdd should count almost as much as a td..not as much
     
  4. kingcillo24

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    Jones couldn't get Gus against the cage due to great circling.
     
  5. CaptainIndustry

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    There were only a few of the 12 take down attempts I felt were even committed to. It was weird to me how much they were talking about Gus and his take down defense. Maybe it was more of a big deal than I thought because Jones could have won with some good gnp. Definitely felt like Jones was half assing takedown attempts a lot to go for other stuff.
     
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    Gustaffson's sprinting >>>> Jones takedowns
     
  7. Donald Keys

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    Gus was too strong and slippery in the clinch....much like Machida usually is. Seems like Jones is most effective when trying trips from the clinch, so this was problematic.

    When Jones committed 100% to shooting a double, he did get a tired Gus down.

    I personally thought that he should have tried to push Gus up against the cage a little more, but Gus is technically sound there and a big, strong dude.
     
  8. Peregrine01

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    A couple of things:

    1. Gus's boxing and footwork made Jones fight from distance for the first time in his career. Most guys Jones has fought have had to come forward to even engage, making them much more susceptible to takedowns.

    2. Jones is lethal in the clinch, but isn't much of a power double guy ala GSP & Sonnen. Gus was excellent a breaking away from the clinch.

    3. Gus has pretty damn good TDD.
     
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    Or Gus training with Davis has really upped his wrestling game?
     
  10. TFanatic

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    Jones didnt have a titanic strength and leverage advantage like he normally does.
     
  11. anesthetized

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    i was asking a question.
     
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    Jones couldn't take Gus down because he specializes in a kind of takedown and I forgot the name but basically he ankle picks with one hand and he use the other arm to cross over the body which has worked before because these types of takedowns are effective on guys who are shorter like when he took Sonnen down.

    This was ineffective with Gus because he was too tall so even when Jones is able to pick the ankle, he doesn't have good leverage on the body so he basically picks the ankle and Gus just raises his leg and hop around and Jones has to let it go. I think a power double would of been more effective but Jones is not particularly as good at those as Sonnen is.
     
  13. leosgf

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    Jones is more of a clinch guy, and Alex has great footwork, which gave Jones a hard time getting the clinch to follow with the takedown.
    I said it here, the fact that Alex doesn't need to get too close to hit Jones could make this fight very interesting, when it comes to takedowns.
     
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    They failed because Gus is 1 inch taller. Also Gus training with Phil for the last several years might have helped a bit.
     
  15. anesthetized

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    i agree gus was effective. im just looking for the other half of the equation.

    it was easiesr for me to see what gus was doing as opposed to what jones was not doing.

    every coin has two sides.
     
  16. anesthetized

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    i think that is just a matter of opinion.

    most sports tend to be scored for doing something, not preventing an opponent from doing something.

    but i understand the merits of your idea.
     
  17. Mayor

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    Non-fighters, non-wrestlers talk a lot about "committing" to a takedown. It's kind of a valid thing in some cases, but it's mostly over-used babble.

    A wrestler will usually go for the takedown and try until it's unlikely to succeed, then abort it and get a clean break to avoid being completely stuffed and potentially put into a vulnerable position.

    In most cases, Jones got his hands on Gus and quickly realized how strong he was and that Gus was in good position to defend. No reason wasting more energy trying to get him down.

    The only guys who "commit" like you're talking about are guys who are seriously one-dimensional and have insane cardio, like Sonnen.
     
  18. JKS

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    Gus did his homework and has good tdd
     
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    Combination of things. Improved Tds, awareness in clinch, no reach disadvantage, strength, athleticism etc
     
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    This .... size matters.
     

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