Jones has passed CIR test.. Back to the coke

rearnakedchoke said:
i get the point that it is not a violation, but the commission is there to regulate fights and ensure the safety of the fighters ... they have to sanction the fight, and they sanctioned a fight knowing a combatant was getting high on coke during his training camp ..... i was concerned about jones being a cheater, but i am not worried about that anymore, but the incompetence of the AC
1. they administered a test they weren't supposed to
2. they realized their mess up and sanctioned a fight knowing a fighter was using coke recently (but of course, what could they do, it was a wrong test)
3. they said they only took urine samples on the 18th and jones posts a pic of them drawing blood
4. they show the results of some tests and when experts in the field question about CIR's being done, they magically say the tests were done (have they released these tests tho?)

imo the AC is shady and incompetent as shit in this ... like deniro says in casino (along those lines) ... its either they are in on the scandal, or they are just too stupid to realize what's going on .. either way, their whole shit needs to be overhauled ...
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Why are you so obsessed with there being a 'scandal' .. You sound like a conspiracy nut
 
Cake4Breakfast said:
Nick Diaz, Healy (took away his locker room bonuses though he put on a great show), Riddle, etc., that seems to be the issue for people, cannabis vs., cocaine, though Diaz never was punished by the UFC.
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Those were in competition.
 
Cake4Breakfast said:
Nick Diaz, Healy (took away his locker room bonuses though he put on a great show), Riddle, etc., that seems to be the issue for people, cannabis vs., cocaine, though Diaz never was punished by the UFC.
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The issue there is that cannabis takes longer to leave your system than cocaine. Some of that is on the fighter. If you know it'll take 45 days to pass the test after a joint, you shouldn't smoke for 45 days leading up to the test. If Jones had popped for the coke in his post fight, he'd probably be in a lot more trouble. (Assuming he didn't pop, I don't know if they released the post fight tests yet.)
 
Cake4Breakfast said:
Nick Diaz, Healy (took away his locker room bonuses though he put on a great show), Riddle, etc., that seems to be the issue for people, cannabis vs., cocaine, though Diaz never was punished by the UFC.
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every single one of those was in competition.
 
So, what's the word with the blood test that he supposedly had, did that come back? Now that the CIR is back clean, does that mean that nothing will be added to this by the eventual results of the post fight test?

Also, am I getting this right - internet explodes yesterday with suspicious T/E ratio, conclusive results are available today? Don't get me wrong, I'd rather there be a legit champ in UFC than a PEDer, but this comes off as suspicious.
 
PorkPiePusher said:
So, what's the word with the blood test that he supposedly had, did that come back? Now that the CIR is back clean, does that mean that nothing will be added to this by the eventual results of the post fight test?

Also, am I getting this right - internet explodes yesterday with suspicious T/E ratio, conclusive results are available today? Don't get me wrong, I'd rather there be a legit champ in UFC than a PEDer, but this comes off as suspicious.
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They answered yesterday's suspicions with test results? And that's suspicious, sort've sounds like you want to be suspicious.. Maybe they should've cleared if with you first I dunno
 
A test that couldn't detect the PEDS?? What a shocking turn of events this has never happened before!

by all accounts the T/E ratio is damning evidence that something is amiss. and with todays cheaters and technology a clean test should have been expected regardless of evidence theyre dirty. Cormier's t/e results are suspect as well.
 
Jopo said:
A test that couldn't detect the PEDS?? What a shocking turn of events this has never happened before!

by all accounts the T/E ratio is damning evidence that something is amiss. and with todays cheaters and technology a clean test should have been expected regardless of evidence theyre dirty. Cormier's t/e results are suspect as well.
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CIR test is pretty conclusive, I understand you pinned your hopes on him being popped.. You never know, there are still the post fight tests? Fingers crossed eh
 
PEDs were the only worry. I don't really have an "issue" with him dipping into some yay, other then it probably makes him worse in the cage.
 
jimmyfingers said:
Also, what is the explanation for abnormal ratios on previous tests that can only be attributed to rare endocrine disorder or doping cycle, A being unlikely?

Need answers.
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DC's were statistically just as abysmal. So everyone is doping or everyone has a problem, or their test is jut not that accurate.
 
Why is cannabis a banned substance and cocaine is not? If marijuana helps people train, cocaine is a stimulant that can be said to do the same thing.

Does anybody know why?
 
He passed the pre-fight CIR test(s), but they did another CIR test post fight and those results are still pending.
 
method115 said:
every single one of those was in competition.
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while your right, the problem with this is how long pot stays in your system, 90% chance jones did his blow closer the the fight then these guys smoked a joint, but since pots in your system longer they get punished while jones is made into some sort of hero for going to rehab. There is still a double standard being set in place for him and ufc is just using the out of competition loop hole to make it not look so bad
 
mma99 said:
Why is cannabis a banned substance and cocaine is not? If marijuana helps people train, cocaine is a stimulant that can be said to do the same thing.

Does anybody know why?
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They're both banned in competition. Not out.

It's crazy after all this discussion this question is still being asked days later.
 
ostlerrage said:
Far from convinced. IMO Jones is still a PED user.
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Basically this. Not that I care but the tests showed clear evidence of natural test suppressed due to roids. If his test was HIGH and he was negative for cir test I would be convinced but low test and passing cir is still consistent eith off cycle .. Honestly though, who cares? Most guys are using anyways...
 
mma99 said:
Why is cannabis a banned substance and cocaine is not? If marijuana helps people train, cocaine is a stimulant that can be said to do the same thing.

Does anybody know why?
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Short answer is, if you've ever used coke you'd know it won't help, unless you used in on the walk to the octagon, which'll probably result in a heart attack.. Weed shouldn't be a PED.. Some people claim you can tolerate more damage if you were stoned in a fight, but I doubt it.
 
fightfan84 said:
while your right, the problem with this is how long pot stays in your system, 90% chance jones did his blow closer the the fight then these guys smoked a joint, but since pots in your system longer they get punished while jones is made into some sort of hero for going to rehab. There is still a double standard being set in place for him and ufc is just using the out of competition loop hole to make it not look so bad
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It's not a double standard, it's science.
 
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