Jones Has Been Unimpressive for A While. Let's Stop Pretending He's A Killer.

Hitto said:
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There is a reason Israel moved up when Jan was the 205 champ and not Jones
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Can't all move up like Khabib did and fi.........oh wait, nevermind.
 
Jon has never lost a fight outside of the dq loss. People can cry he lost to such and such but the reality is he didn't.
 
He has looked beatable the last few fights and Jan Blach has looked like a beast i suspect that's why he went to heavyweight which is smart because the risk reward is much better for him. If he wins the heavyweight title he goes down as a Goat if he stays at 205 and loses to Jan then jan is goat. So going to heavyweight means More money and legendary status very smart.

I obviously wanted him to fight Jan but i must admit if i was him or his team i'd be going to heavyweight too.
 
Krixes said:
Jon has never lost a fight outside of the dq loss. People can cry he lost to such and such but the reality is he didn't.
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I'm not arguing he lost, I think he beat both Santos and Reyes. My point is he was very unimpressive while doing so, and he has been for a long while.
 
There’s the “he fights to the level of his competition” argument. Personally, I think he’s just not in his prime anymore. He has like 26 UFC fights or some shit. He’s got some mileage on him. HW may suit him well.
 
Epicman1324 said:
I'm not arguing he lost, I think he beat both Santos and Reyes. My point is he was very unimpressive while doing so, and he has been for a long while.
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Sherdog has some really linear thinkers. He's winning so he must be in his prime! Like its impossible to see signs of decline, even though a fighter is still good enough to win.

These guys are the same people that say Fedor lost in his prime in his mid 30s, and Silva lost in his prime in his late 30s.
 
Epicman1324 said:
TL;DR: Jon Jones is nowhere near as good as people make him out to be anymore and if he wasn't Jon Jones nobody would talk him up like he's a world beater anymore.

Come on. Talk all you want about Jones' prime because he was a monster, but his prime has been clearly OVER for at least 5 years. When was the last time you watched Jon Jones fight and say "Oh my god, this dude is amazing and nobody is on his level" like you did when he wrecked Shogun or choked out Machida? It certainly wasn't recently. His last finish without testing positive for PEDs (DC 2 and Gus 2 off a Picogram don't count) was against a washed MW in Chael Sonnen in 2013 for crying out loud. He needed to juice twice, likely thrice to beat a fat manlet. Since 2015, he looked remarkably unimpressive vs a gatekeeper in OSP, popped for roids against DC, beat an older, shopworn Gus after testing positive and getting an entire event moved, beat .500 fighter and overachiever Anthony Smith (likely his best performance in the past 3 years) scraped past a MW with a bum knee, and a high school baseball player built like a swimmer. While I think he won those fights barely, I'm not sure if he gets the nod if he's not JBJ. He's a boring pointfighter who can barely win decisions against dudes who literally get wrecked in their next fight or 2. Jones is not a world beater anymore, he will get wrecked at HW, and he's not P4P top 5 anymore, nor has he been for half of a decade.
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I agree. How people constantly defend him is beyond me
 
Barteh said:
Jones has been mostly unimpressive against underwhelming opponents. Whenever he felt like he truly had something to prove, Gus 2, the two DC fights, he came out and destroyed.
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And cheated. Let's not forget that part...
 
Jones might not be as good as he used to be, but he is still very good...

I give him a very serious chance at winning a belt at heavyweight.
 
kalabula said:
There’s the “he fights to the level of his competition” argument. Personally, I think he’s just not in his prime anymore. He has like 26 UFC fights or some shit. He’s got some mileage on him. HW may suit him well.
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It might but I'm not sure why people assume it would. Hw has fighters with reach closer to his own, that are more durable with far more power. With his wrestling not looking good for years, I wouldn't be surprised if he has nothing to stop guys from closing the distance and blasting him
 
The last time Jones looked impressive was Gus 2, almost 2.5 yrs ago. He's still young but I don't know if its because he's off the juice or just some guys start declining earlier, prime Jones would've finished Smith, Santos, & Reyes. Stipe might also be slowing down though, so it could be a fight of 2 guys who are still great & winning but declining. Francis is prime but he's a lot less well rounded
 
The Chosen said:
Reyes won
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Sherdog official record disagrees
https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Jon-Jones-27944
FIGHT HISTORY - PRO
RESULT FIGHTER EVENT METHOD/REFEREE R TIME
WIN Dominick Reyes UFC 247 - Jones vs. Reyes
Feb / 08 / 2020 Decision (Unanimous)
Dan Miragliotta 5 5:00
WIN Thiago Santos UFC 239 - Jones vs. Santos
Jul / 06 / 2019 Decision (Split)
Herb Dean 5 5:00
WIN Anthony Smith UFC 235 - Jones vs. Smith
Mar / 02 / 2019 Decision (Unanimous)
Herb Dean 5 5:00
WIN Alexander Gustafsson UFC 232 - Jones vs. Gustafsson 2
Dec / 29 / 2018 KO (Punches)
Mike Beltran 3 2:02
NC Daniel Cormier UFC 214 - Cormier vs. Jones 2
Jul / 29 / 2017 No Contest (Overturned by CSAC)
John McCarthy 3 3:01
WIN Ovince St. Preux UFC 197 - Jones vs. St. Preux
Apr / 23 / 2016 Decision (Unanimous)
Herb Dean 5 5:00
WIN Daniel Cormier UFC 182 - Jones vs. Cormier
Jan / 03 / 2015 Decision (Unanimous)
Herb Dean 5 5:00
WIN Glover Teixeira UFC 172 - Jones vs. Teixeira
Apr / 26 / 2014 Decision (Unanimous)
Dan Miragliotta 5 5:00
WIN Alexander Gustafsson UFC 165 - Jones vs. Gustafsson
Sep / 21 / 2013 Decision (Unanimous)
John McCarthy 5 5:00
WIN Chael Sonnen UFC 159 - Jones vs. Sonnen
Apr / 27 / 2013 TKO (Elbows and Punches)
Keith Peterson 1 4:33
WIN Vitor Belfort UFC 152 - Jones vs. Belfort
Sep / 22 / 2012 Submission (Keylock)
John McCarthy 4 0:54
WIN Rashad Evans UFC 145 - Jones vs. Evans
Apr / 21 / 2012 Decision (Unanimous)
Herb Dean 5 5:00
WIN Lyoto Machida UFC 140 - Jones vs. Machida
Dec / 10 / 2011 Technical Submission (Guillotine Choke)
John McCarthy 2 4:26
WIN Quinton Jackson UFC 135 - Jones vs. Rampage
Sep / 24 / 2011 Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
Josh Rosenthal 4 1:14
WIN Mauricio Rua UFC 128 - Shogun vs. Jones
Mar / 19 / 2011 TKO (Punches and Knees)
Herb Dean 3 2:37
WIN Ryan Bader UFC 126 - Silva vs. Belfort
Feb / 05 / 2011 Submission (Guillotine Choke)
Herb Dean 2 4:20
WIN Vladimir Matyushenko UFC Live 2 - Jones vs. Matyushenko
Aug / 01 / 2010 TKO (Elbows)
Herb Dean 1 1:52
WIN Brandon Vera UFC Live 1 - Vera vs. Jones
Mar / 21 / 2010 TKO (Elbows and Punches)
Herb Dean 1 3:19
LOSS Matt Hamill UFC - The Ultimate Fighter 10 Finale
Dec / 05 / 2009 Disqualification (Illegal Elbows)
Steve Mazzagatti 1 4:14
WIN Jake O'Brien UFC 100 - Lesnar vs. Mir 2
Jul / 11 / 2009 Submission (Guillotine Choke)
Yves Lavigne 2 2:43
WIN Stephan Bonnar UFC 94 - St. Pierre vs. Penn 2
Jan / 31 / 2009 Decision (Unanimous)
Steve Mazzagatti 3 5:00
WIN Andre Gusmao UFC 87 - Seek and Destroy
Aug / 09 / 2008 Decision (Unanimous)
Daryl Guthmiller 3 5:00
WIN Moyses Gabin BCX 5 - Battle Cage Xtreme 5
Jul / 12 / 2008 TKO (Punches)
Kevin Mulhall 2 1:58
WIN Parker Porter WCF - World Championship Fighting 3
Jun / 20 / 2008 KO (Punch)
N/A 1 0:36
WIN Ryan Verrett USFL - War in the Woods 3
May / 09 / 2008 TKO (Punches)
N/A 1 0:14
WIN Anthony Pina ICE Fighter - ICE Fighter
Apr / 25 / 2008 Submission (Guillotine Choke)
N/A 1 1:15
WIN Carlos Eduardo BCX 4 - Battle Cage Xtreme 4
Apr / 19 / 2008 KO (Punches)
Kevin Mulhall 3 0:24
WIN Brad Bernard FFP - Untamed 20
Apr / 12 / 2008 TKO (Punches)
N/A
 
Jones looks just less motivated than he used to be. Maybe this was his best tries, but I think the HW fight and Izzy matchup would light a fire for Jones. Probably gets bored being so good.
 
neomage2021 said:
Reality says he won all of those fights and we'll he is still rich and fighting so guess he is doing fine
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what exactly does him being rich have to do with how good of a fighter he still is? lol
 
Jones has chosen to stand and fight these guys. Maybe there is a reason. Maybe he has injuries that cant be fixed? It seems like common sense that JJ would start taking guys down again and elbow smashing. Steroids or not....he fucked up trt Vitor. Who else did that? He is getting older.
Izzy has his hands full this weekend. The huge reach advantage is gone. I dont remember if Jan goes to the body much, but people have to start softening Izzy up with body shots. Make him pay for leaning back out of the way of head shots by much shorter men. I wish these damn fights were tonight. This card is ridiculous.
 
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