Jones Doesn't Deserve A NC, And Neither Do Fighters Who Test Positive For THC

Minnja said:
Lol the rules aren't being bended at all. You're confusing bending the rules with questionable rules. If the rules state it only matters post-fight and in your system then when the last time you did it has no meaning. In order for the rule to change it would have to be worded as in "Can't test positive within 30 days of comeptition" or something. There is no rule like that I'm aware of.
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Just seems unfair

Example

Fighter A smokes some weed 2 weeks before his fight, goes out and fights then fails post fight drug test due to it still being in his system even though he hasn't smoked recently, receives no contest.

Fighter B does some lines a week before his fight but it's out of his system by fight day so he is good to go.

Would seem unfair to hand either guy a NC, since both are unrelated to the fight. Yet fighter A still receives one.

I don't think Jones deserves a NC, wouldn't make sense to give him one. Its just that they punish fighters basically for smoking weed at all, since they know odds are the fighter isn't lighting up before a fight and using its effects to win the fight.
 
melvinj0 said:
Still it seems like NC are usually handed out to fighters who smoke weed as more of a disciplin for smoking it and less of a punishment for using it as a performance enhancer (since it isn't and the effects are not there even if it is still in your system).

Doesn't seem like the rules should be bended just because coke doesn't stay in your system for nearly as long.
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The problem is there is no way to narrow it down. Depending on how heavy a user someone is, weed might stay in someone's system anywhere from 1 week to 6 weeks.

Almost all drugs except weed and Benzos break down and metabolize pretty quickly. In fact, it is the metabolites that the tests check for and most drugs stay in the system 3-5 days. Benzos up to 10-14 days on average and weed up to 3-4 weeks on average. The purpose of the post fight test is to see if a fighter had any drugs in his system while fighting. A fighter kinda screws himself when using a drug that stays in the system a long time.

See next post for way worse example of how this can screw someone
 
If you think that is bad, the cops new trick to get money to pay for their OT and things like that is if they see anybody with a prescription bottle in their car or purse or on their person (as these days even for speeding they will perform searches and get warrants faxed to their car in minutes if need be) and then immediately take someone to the hospital to get blood drawn without even performing the standard roadside sobriety tests. Now it used to be blood was much more accurate than any road-side test so one trumped the other. It also used to be standard to carry your script bottle at all times because loose pills is what would get you screwed.

But now, if they see you are on a regular prescription (which stays in your system 3-5 days and almost all prescriptions say don't drive or operate heavy machinery btw) they simply say it was in your system and charge you with driving under the influence. It is now up to you to prove you weren't. How do you do that? And you better have 5k to plop down for an attorney just to get started. But the cop will just claim you were swerving (which they observed at an angle and didn't get on their dash cam) and drugs were found in your system. And with the potential penalties these days like 30 days in jail and losing a license for a year even on the first offense, most people plea it out.

The whole "in your system" can be a big fucking scam as far as what actual effect it had and it should be a much higher standard than "detectable levels" to come up with "impaired levels". But they don't do it like that because they don't know for sure on each person and really don't care to take the time anyway to try to narrow it down
 
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You guys are blowing this way out of proportion. It's quite possible Jon thought it was just sugar he accidentally inhaled. He had no idea it was really cocaine. This is clearly a case of just being misunderstood. :)
 
skombolis said:
The problem is there is no way to narrow it down. Depending on how heavy a user someone is, weed might stay in someone's system anywhere from 1 week to 6 weeks.

Almost all drugs except weed and Benzos break down and metabolize pretty quickly. In fact, it is the metabolites that the tests check for and most drugs stay in the system 3-5 days. Benzos up to 10-14 days on average and weed up to 3-4 weeks on average. The purpose of the post fight test is to see if a fighter had any drugs in his system while fighting. A fighter kinda screws himself when using a drug that stays in the system a long time.

See next post for way worse example of how this can screw someone
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Yeah I understand, just seems like most fighters who get NC's for marijuana use were completely free of the effects of it during their fight.
 
melvinj0 said:
Just seems unfair

Example

Fighter A smokes some weed 2 weeks before his fight, goes out and fights then fails post fight drug test due to it still being in his system even though he hasn't smoked recently, receives no contest.

Fighter B does some lines a week before his fight but it's out of his system by fight day so he is good to go.

Would seem unfair to hand either guy a NC, since both are unrelated to the fight. Yet fighter A still receives one.

I don't think Jones deserves a NC, wouldn't make sense to give him one. Its just that they punish fighters basically for smoking weed at all, since they know odds are the fighter isn't lighting up before a fight and using its effects to win the fight.
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Life isn't fair. I feels you though.
 
ArabicCanadian said:
would i get my 320$ back from bet365 if its a no contest?
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Or if an alien came down from space and handed you $320

You actually would have a higher chance of the latter happening!

The rules are the rules. It wasn't a banned out-of-competition substance and he was clean for the fight. There not only is no precedent to change the decision, there is no authority to. Even if the UFC fired him r stripped him of his title, the fight result would stand. Might as well just get used to the fact the money is gone. There is literally nothing to get your hopes up on.
 
skombolis said:
Or if an alien came down from space and handed you $320

You actually would have a higher chance of the latter happening!

The rules are the rules. It wasn't a banned out-of-competition substance and he was clean for the fight. There not only is no precedent to change the decision, there is no authority to. Even if the UFC fired him r stripped him of his title, the fight result would stand. Might as well just get used to the fact the money is gone. There is literally nothing to get your hopes up on.
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i don't care it's a fucking 320
 
The coke could of still helped him train more, thus be in better shape for DC come fight night. Like how fighters cycle off roids after training camp.
 
j98 said:
The coke could of still helped him train more, thus be in better shape for DC come fight night. Like how fighters cycle off roids after training camp.
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No it wouldn't

Try training regularly on coke and come back and type that. Ok, don't really do that. But you would definitely know that isn't the case. It is good for short bursts and the coming down period makes you useless. It would make literally zero sense to try to make it part of a training regimen
 
skombolis said:
No it wouldn't

Try training regularly on coke and come back and type that. Ok, don't really do that. But you would definitely know that isn't the case. It is good for short bursts and the coming down period makes you useless. It would make literally zero sense to try to make it part of a training regimen
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It helped with the weight cut bro.
 
Do they deserve it? Idk. But if yiu change it for some drugs yiu should do it for all.
 
melvinj0 said:
The effects of the coke were gone by the time Jones fought, just like the effects of Marijuana are gone by the a fighter who smokes fights.

The difference is that marijuana stays in your system longer, but still seems unfair to punish either fighter when neither drug enhances their performance int he fight.
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You have to be the most delusional Jones nuthugger around. Cocaine stays in the system a lot longer than weed. Also it would have increased his performance more so than if he was juicing on hgh or steroids . Jones should be stripped of the title and his win overturned.
 
Also why should Jones get a green light and Chael got in a load of trouble when his too was "out of competition" his test should be voided aswell.
 
Pangi said:
You have to be the most delusional Jones nuthugger around. Cocaine stays in the system a lot longer than weed. Also it would have increased his performance more so than if he was juicing on hgh or steroids . Jones should be stripped of the title and his win overturned.
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I think you mixed up the weed and coke when talking about how long it stays in your system b.
 
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