Jones beat fighters past their prime.... Myth

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by Clear Winner, Feb 11, 2020.

  1. Clear Winner Big Poppa Pars

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2012
    Messages:
    29,532
    Likes Received:
    1,474
    Location:
    Straight from the land of the lost
    Why do people say this? Jones beat these guys when he was still fairly new to the sport and they were in their early 30's

    Rampage was 33
    [​IMG]

    Machida was 33
    [​IMG]

    Shogun was 29
    [​IMG]

    Rashad was 32, Bader was in his 20's, Glover 34, TRT Vitor 34 and the list goes on.

    Seems to me like people just can't accept that their favourites got beaten and they'd rather call them past their prime than admit that he was just a phenom. He's definitely slowed down recently and lost his killer instinct, but stop making shit up about the past.
     
  2. VVarhead Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2014
    Messages:
    18,859
    Likes Received:
    2,903
    Location:
    Austria
    People whose favorite fighters are either Shogun, Rampage or Machida.
    Or people who weren't around at the time.

    Jones was doubted by many here (including me) when he fought some of these killers.
    Those wins are as legit as they get.
     
  3. Clear Winner Big Poppa Pars

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2012
    Messages:
    29,532
    Likes Received:
    1,474
    Location:
    Straight from the land of the lost
    I recall a lot of "one kick to those chicken legs from Shogun and Jones is done" talk before the fight. After the fight, he was past it and "old shogun" would have beaten him.

    <36>
     
  4. NoBiasJustMMA Steel Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2010
    Messages:
    30,770
    Likes Received:
    1,121
    Location:
    Maryland
    Why are you just listing age as if wear and tear and years and years of fighting don't matter?
     
  5. grimballer Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2008
    Messages:
    20,335
    Likes Received:
    3,785
    Yup these guys were “past their prime” only after jones destroyed them.

    before shogun fight everybody was saying how he’s finally gonna get exposed

    I remember after his Hamill or Vera fight I said nobody gonna beat him at lhw n his only true challenge would be at hw
     
  6. Washad Green Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2015
    Messages:
    1,294
    Likes Received:
    407
    If you think Rampage was in his prime at 33, you might be legally retarded. Prime is not just based on age, buddeh.
     
  7. poor form Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2020
    Messages:
    3,572
    Likes Received:
    1,684
    Jones fanbase in full defence mode these days. And somehow peds never appear in their posts. It’s laughable.
     
  8. donkeyjr Purple Belt

    Joined:
    May 16, 2010
    Messages:
    2,390
    Likes Received:
    93
    Rampage was 4-1, only losing to Rashaad when he fought Jon Jones...Machida beat Mousasi and Bader after his lost to Jones. Shogun just ko'd Machida before he fought Jon Jones...


    Whats goood....

    Then wtf is Rampage prime then....Only when he wins right. lol
     
  9. Hotora86 Happy New Year! (fuck 2020)

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2009
    Messages:
    17,659
    Likes Received:
    2,609
    Location:
    in a 10-10 round
    I'm not saying there were all "past prime" but Rampage's record of 32-9 says a lot about mileage and fight wear, don't you think?

    But if you wanna focus on age alone - Jones is now 32 and CONSIDERABLY slower than before. So why is it impossible to assume that his opponents aged 32+ were also CONSIDERABLY slower?
     
  10. grimballer Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2008
    Messages:
    20,335
    Likes Received:
    3,785
    I remember this pic specifically with caption being

    “I’m gonna destroy this young punk”

    [​IMG]
     
  11. Gilday Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2014
    Messages:
    13,783
    Likes Received:
    2,323
    Location:
    Dorset, England
    Imagine thinking age = prime
    Shogun and Rampage weren't near the primes during their early 30's, but a guy like Romero peaks at 40.

    When your prime is has far more to do with how many fights you've had rather than your age
     
  12. NoBiasJustMMA Steel Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2010
    Messages:
    30,770
    Likes Received:
    1,121
    Location:
    Maryland
    Rampage wasn't in his prime when he could no longer wrestle, his prime ended with the Hendo fight, after that he couldn't wrestle cause of back and knee problems. Machida I will say was in his prime due to lack of injuries and wear and tear. Shogun had blown out his knees multiple times by the time he fought Jones and he was a kick heavy fighter.

    Just cause guys are still winning more than losing doesn't mean they are in their primes, you have to watch how they perform, not just the results.
     
  13. donkeyjr Purple Belt

    Joined:
    May 16, 2010
    Messages:
    2,390
    Likes Received:
    93
    He was still incredibly hard to take down, just asked Rashaad. Wtf are you smoking....Jon Jones would beat any version of Rampage, hes too flat footed.
     
  14. Clear Winner Big Poppa Pars

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2012
    Messages:
    29,532
    Likes Received:
    1,474
    Location:
    Straight from the land of the lost
    People were saying that Matyushenko and Vera were going to expose him too. The unique hatred he got was partly because it just kept snowballing as he rolled over one fighter after the other in dominant fashion.
     
  15. WHALEWOLF Green Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2017
    Messages:
    1,228
    Likes Received:
    243
    Location:
    Texas
    age has NOTHING to do with fighters being in their prime.
     
  16. NoBiasJustMMA Steel Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2010
    Messages:
    30,770
    Likes Received:
    1,121
    Location:
    Maryland
    I didn't say he wasn't hard to takedown, I said he wasn't in his prime anymore cause he didn't wrestle anymore cause of back and knee injuries. I never said that prime Rampage would beat Jones, don't use straw man arguments, it's the tell tale sign of someone that can't argue their point without misrepresenting the other person's opinions.
     
  17. Clear Winner Big Poppa Pars

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2012
    Messages:
    29,532
    Likes Received:
    1,474
    Location:
    Straight from the land of the lost
    Jones' wrestling has clearly been affected by his toe almost falling off against Chael. Don't hear many talking about that. It just seems that people are clutching at straws to denigrate those wins
     
  18. NoBiasJustMMA Steel Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2010
    Messages:
    30,770
    Likes Received:
    1,121
    Location:
    Maryland
    Rampage's prime started after his loss to Sakuraba(his sub defense improved a lot after this fight) and ended with his fight with Hendo. After that fight he didn't wrestle offensively anymore and threw even less kicks and knees than he used to.
     
  19. NoBiasJustMMA Steel Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2010
    Messages:
    30,770
    Likes Received:
    1,121
    Location:
    Maryland
    LMAO, you say i'm clutching at straws, that's exactly what you're doing here. There is no proof whatsoever that Jones toe injury has impacted him after it healed.
     
  20. Clear Winner Big Poppa Pars

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2012
    Messages:
    29,532
    Likes Received:
    1,474
    Location:
    Straight from the land of the lost
    In the last 15 years, only 2 people have finished Rampage and one of those was another GOAT who finished a fat Rampage. It was an extremely impressive win.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.