Jon Jones may move to boxing ... to fight the Klitchkos

No, boxing fans don't like mma because they THINK the stand up is mediocre. When in reality it just looks very different by necessity and the few that can make it look "boxing like" are rare talents. We have seen quite a few mma fighters with a boxing background and look pretty similar to the rest. That's not to say it can't get better across the board, the sport is still evolving.

Not true at all. There is plenty of room for improvement and we have seen MMA fighters improve their boxing. The old excuse for the lack of jabs in MMA was that it somehow leaves fighters open to take downs or some shit. Luck what happened to that logic? MMA can progress but there seems to be a lot of arrogance and in many cases disrespect for pure martial arts. They think they don't have to bother learning individual fighting styles from specialised coaches. They can just go to an MMA gym because punching and kicking is all the same everywhere right?

The horrible joke is that the older gen of fighters had much more respect for their various martial arts. They say MMA is evolving but have any of these people surpassed prime Shogun, Machida, Silva,. GSP, Fedor? MMA should evolve by learning from pure martial art teachers, not by ignoring those disciplines and turning MMA into its own martial art. It's funny how people often post .gifs of MMA fighters doing crazy shit as proof of the sport's evolution, but fail to notice most of those .gifs are from the Pride era.

We've already seen small scale displays of improvement in MMA boxing in recent years. In retrospect they've come along way from "jab can't defend kick" and "head movement is useless against the take down." The old excuse of "It's a different sport and boxing tricks can't be applied" simply doesn't work any more because it's already been disprove to some degree. Really, it's now 2013 and if the striking had improved that much super man punches should result in the user getting KO'd 90% of the time. There are actually plenty of fights were superman type punches have been thrown in boxing. They're either so easily dodged you would barely notice or the fighter using it gets knocked on his ass. Even the very simple concept of counter punching hasn't been grasped by a lot of fighters yet.

I'm basically saying there's room for improvement and saying shit like that stuff doesn't work in MMA is like fighting the tide.

Actually the reason I would say boxer or MMA fighter might fail in the others sport is down to pure arrogance. The idea they can enter the other sport with what they already have and still be dominant. If either side seriously dedicated their time and effort rather than leaving their heads up their arse they could make a serious go at it. It's all about dedication. So I think a boxer can win and MMA fight using pure boxing if he is constantly concious of takedowns and kicks rather than simply fighting a basic boxing match. Likewise the MMA fighter would need to develop his sense of range, timing and countering, which is something MMA fighters seriously lack.
 
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I wouldn't be surpised if he could switch to boxing and be successful. He is young enough and gifted enough, both athletically and frame wise. Some boxing coaches agree. But it would take a couple of years at least before he gets even close to being up there.

No, boxing fans don't like mma because they THINK the stand up is mediocre. When in reality it just looks very different by necessity and the few that can make it look "boxing like" are rare talents. We have seen quite a few mma fighters with a boxing background and look pretty similar to the rest. That's not to say it can't get better across the board, the sport is still evolving.

You are beyond delusional.
 
There are a lot of reasons I can't stand MMA anymore. The striking looks horribly unsophisticated and toughman-esque, the fans, the who nu-metal culture around it, but more than anything, its turned into a collection of jacks-of-all-trades who are competent but not great at anything, and its a competition to see who can find the least mediocre skillset in the other's portfolio of skills. I like to watch masters at the disciplines, judo is my sport than I was competitive in from aged 5 to 24, with some collegiate boxing too, so I love to watch the best at those disciplines face off. MMA doesn't offer this, its mediocre boxers and mediocre judo players for the most part, and I can't stand it.

lol what, there are elite athletes in mma, sounds like you are just mad because most elite judo guys like karo failed at higher levels of mma transition as compared to wrestlers and bjj. i dont think i really need to go on and list some of the wrestling/bjj accomplishments of some of the guys in ufc

you could say the same thing for boxing, "i want to watch the elite pugilists" not these walk forward and get my face smashed brawlers like gatti whose defensive skill sets were mediocre at best compared to the elite.
 
No, boxing fans don't like mma because they THINK the stand up is mediocre. When in reality it just looks very different by necessity and the few that can make it look "boxing like" are rare talents. We have seen quite a few mma fighters with a boxing background and look pretty similar to the rest. That's not to say it can't get better across the board, the sport is still evolving.

lol Make it look "boxing like". What does that even mean? Why would an MMA fighter arbitrarily use techniques that look boxing like? Are you saying they are using it for cosmetic purposes? And if you think they do, then explain to me why a fighter would use techniques that provide them with no advantages???
 
What's wrong with kid ?? He doesn't even challenge HW in MMA...
 
Floyd making $3.5m a round has concentrated a few mma minds it seems. No doubt he could do okay in the ring.
 
Ray Sefo had a great chin and good boxing and still got KOd by some mediocre heavyweight. They're two different sports and Jones would look horrible in there with world class boxers. Even some mid-tier heavyweight boxer would probably knock Jones' head off.
 
lol what, there are elite athletes in mma, sounds like you are just mad because most elite judo guys like karo failed at higher levels of mma transition as compared to wrestlers and bjj. i dont think i really need to go on and list some of the wrestling/bjj accomplishments of some of the guys in ufc.

I'm not upset by that, it just doesn't lend itself to masters of disciplines doing well by its very nature. They usually do ok, but again, the ones who do best at MMA were not at the higher echelons in the disciplines, they are ones who are 7/10 levels in 5 things, but are not 10/10 in anything, with a few exceptions. The time and energy it would take to become an elite level in a discipline would negate your ability to get across the other skills needed for MMA, so again my original point, none of them are really great at anything, they are good at lots of things.

Kevin Jackson is the only real elite level wrestler I ever heard of in MMA, Satoshi Ishii the only judoka (maybe Yoshida, Nastula and Takimoto although they were ancient were by time they came over), I don't think there have been any boxers (apart from 45 year old Mercer and Toney), and all of the ones I mentioned have done poorly.

It reinforces my point.

you could say the same thing for boxing, "i want to watch the elite pugilists" not these walk forward and get my face smashed brawlers like gatti whose defensive skill sets were mediocre at best compared to the elite.

I do say that, as do most boxing fans. Gatti was good for watching slugfests, but not much else for most of his career, hence he was never near the top, but people like Floyd Mayweather are (and he also wiped the floor with Gatti in brutal fashion). Fighters like Gatti almost never do well against the top guys.
 
I think it would be cool if Jones came to boxing to make a career out of it.

Who wouldn't want him to take a shot (at least among boxing fans)?


The more talent the better.
I'm not saying he'd contend for a belt right away. But it would be cool to see him give it a shot.

It's like Ken Shamrock's attitude when years back Floyd was bad mouthing MMA. Shamrock knew that if Floyd were to come to MMA and give it a serious shot that it could only benefit mma because you'd have more talent and you'd increase viewership.
 
Ray Sefo had a great chin and good boxing and still got KOd by some mediocre heavyweight. They're two different sports and Jones would look horrible in there with world class boxers. Even some mid-tier heavyweight boxer would probably knock Jones' head off.


See, i think this is the wrong attitude to take.

Sefo got KO'd by Hughes. But he at least tried the sport. No reason to laugh at his efforts. And it's not a bad thing that he came over and tried it.

Same with Jones.

Let Jones talk that crap about a boxer getting beat up by an MMA fighter in a bar "wouldn't look good on" the boxer. Who cares. Maybe if he came over, gave it a shot he'd have more respect for it.
 
Had to click the youtube button to see if it was legit. I was certain that was a joke by somebody with good editing skills. What the fuck happened to the UFC?

same here. that was awful.

and both klits knock him out in under 4 rounds.
 
not to mention jones has subpar power in his hands given mma standards, let alone in a boxing ring at hw. he wouldn't be able to hurt anybody.
 
Kevin Jackson is the only real elite level wrestler I ever heard of in MMA

From the 2008 olympic team alone:

Steve Mocco, Daniel Cormier, Ben Askren and Henry Cejudo have a smooth 31-0 combined record
 
That's some sloppy mitt work and bad posture for a guy with that kind of height/reach
 
Jones isn't a special boxer in MMA. The best part of his striking is his kicking game. This is ridiculous.
 
Not true at all. There is plenty of room for improvement and we have seen MMA fighters improve their boxing. The old excuse for the lack of jabs in MMA was that it somehow leaves fighters open to take downs or some shit. Luck what happened to that logic? MMA can progress but there seems to be a lot of arrogance and in many cases disrespect for pure martial arts. They think they don't have to bother learning individual fighting styles from specialised coaches. They can just go to an MMA gym because punching and kicking is all the same everywhere right?

The horrible joke is that the older gen of fighters had much more respect for their various martial arts. They say MMA is evolving but have any of these people surpassed prime Shogun, Machida, Silva,. GSP, Fedor? MMA should evolve by learning from pure martial art teachers, not by ignoring those disciplines and turning MMA into its own martial art. It's funny how people often post .gifs of MMA fighters doing crazy shit as proof of the sport's evolution, but fail to notice most of those .gifs are from the Pride era.

We've already seen small scale displays of improvement in MMA boxing in recent years. In retrospect they've come along way from "jab can't defend kick" and "head movement is useless against the take down." The old excuse of "It's a different sport and boxing tricks can't be applied" simply doesn't work any more because it's already been disprove to some degree. Really, it's now 2013 and if the striking had improved that much super man punches should result in the user getting KO'd 90% of the time. There are actually plenty of fights were superman type punches have been thrown in boxing. They're either so easily dodged you would barely notice or the fighter using it gets knocked on his ass. Even the very simple concept of counter punching hasn't been grasped by a lot of fighters yet.

I'm basically saying there's room for improvement and saying shit like that stuff doesn't work in MMA is like fighting the tide.

Actually the reason I would say boxer or MMA fighter might fail in the others sport is down to pure arrogance. The idea they can enter the other sport with what they already have and still be dominant. If either side seriously dedicated their time and effort rather than leaving their heads up their arse they could make a serious go at it. It's all about dedication. So I think a boxer can win and MMA fight using pure boxing if he is constantly concious of takedowns and kicks rather than simply fighting a basic boxing match. Likewise the MMA fighter would need to develop his sense of range, timing and countering, which is something MMA fighters seriously lack.

That's a lot of text to agree with my last statement.
I also never said "boxing techniques" can't work in mma. I said it looks different for a reason, and even if more techniques start being applied it still will look different for the most part because of obvious reasons, such as you yourself mention.
 
lol Make it look "boxing like". What does that even mean? Why would an MMA fighter arbitrarily use techniques that look boxing like? Are you saying they are using it for cosmetic purposes? And if you think they do, then explain to me why a fighter would use techniques that provide them with no advantages???

What are you talking about? Straw man much?
 
Jones has mediocre hands. His striking skills are in his elbows, knees and kicks. Usually from weird angles or with weird timing. Unlike MMA, when he's getting out struck in boxing, he can't just take the guy down and elbow his face in. Klits would murder him in boxing.
 
From the 2008 olympic team alone:

Steve Mocco, Daniel Cormier, Ben Askren and Henry Cejudo have a smooth 31-0 combined record

Well, of those 4, 3 of them were very good but not elite, only Cejudo is. I forgot he had gone into MMA. We'll see how he does as his competition increases.

You just proved my point though.
 
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