Jon Jones Fighting over-seas

[Mcgregor's UFC]

Ok, so this has been discussed before and there was no clear or obvious answer. My friend & I got into an argument over this all assuming Jon will be out for 3-4 years which I think at this point is a real possibility.

I claimed that Jon could not fight overseas because it would undermine the CSAC ruling and could cause a lawsuit, would be a breach in the UFC contract, and potentially/most likely do more harm to any company willing to sign him.

Meanwhile my buddy claimed I didn't know how contracts work and that an organization such as Rizin could just pay the fees from Jon breaching his contract and he would be released and allowed to fight over seas. I claimed that would make zero sense because why would the UFC release one of their top attraction fighters and allow them to fight in a rival organization?

I would imagine that not only would that said organization get sued for an insane amount of money by the UFC but the CSAC would also go after them.

Am I right on this? Someone please go in depth for me

 

[Which Doctor]

@Loiosh ?

 

[bambammccoy]

Idk about the contract situation, but foreign commissions in other countries like Japan don't have to adhere to USADA let alone CSAC.

 

[WaylonMercy5150]

Go the Paul Harris route great career move

 

[DaleBoca]

Overseas is one word.

 

[TheRassler]

why can't we live in a world where if you get banned from CSAC, then you can still fight in any state but California. Who the hell came up with the idea that if one commission bans you, you're banned in every commission in the US? We need a fighter's union!

 

[Franc Mittelo]

The UFC will NEVER let him out of his contract. The best thing for him is to spar striking and compete in submission grappling and BJJ tournaments, I think the UFC allows this.

MMA is a lay-n-pray sport anyways. If you spar boxers/strikers and compete against grapplers, with the talent Jon Jones has, he still comes back Top 5 dead or alive. LOL

 

[Loiosh]

@Loiosh ?

 

[executionermma]

Your buddy is delusional if he thinks Jones is fighting again if he's suspended

why can't we live in a world where if you get banned from CSAC, then you can still fight in any state but California. Who the hell came up with the idea that if one commission bans you, you're banned in every commission in the US? We need a fighter's union!

US commissions respect each other decisions in that aspect, i wish they'd agree in one rule-set too so we can end this madness of different rules for each event

 

[Stevanchez]

If Jones fought overseas, without the UFC's permission(which is very unlikely), he would be sued for significantly more money then he would make.

Jones is one of the UFC's top draws. I highly doubt they are going to let him fight if they can't make money off it.

 

[VIPERdude]

He can change his legal name to Jon "Jones" Bones. Then he is a brand new fighter. Fuck the CSAC and USADA

 

[Crystaline Entity]

Buy the time lawsuits were done, Jon Jones and whatever MMA org signed him, would have lost money instead of making any. No way it could happen. The only winner who would make money and this would benefit would be Jon's steroid supplier.

 

[dim_]

If he is suspended by USADA, then as long as he is under contract to the UFC then he cannot fight anywhere

If he is released by the UFC, then he could technically sign for an oversees promotion and fight oversees

however..

1) If he were to do that its unlikely a US commission would ever sanction him again

2) Once he leaves the UFC his suspension is put on hold, and resumes once he rejoins the ufc. So, if he leaves the UFC, if he is released, then he will NEVER return

 

[TheRassler]

US commissions respect each other decisions in that aspect, i wish they'd agree in one rule-set too so we can end this madness of different rules for each event

I mean, that's pretty BS imo, these guys are INDEPENDENT contractors, they should be allowed to fight anywhere. It's like if Brock got popped in WWE (yes, all pro wrestlers are independent contractors too), he can ask for his release, and still go to other wrestling organizations and wrestle there, most of them go overseas and come back with no issues.

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

I mean, that's pretty BS imo, these guys are INDEPENDENT contractors, they should be allowed to fight anywhere. It's like if Brock got popped in WWE (yes, all pro wrestlers are independent contractors too), he can ask for his release, and still go to other wrestling organizations and wrestle there, most of them go overseas and come back with no issues.

This isn't pro wrestling.

Pro wrestling isn't real.


Comparing Jon Jones's situation to an over-inflated actor who greases himself up for his adolescent fans makes you look dumb.

 

[Pacemaker Joe]

Your buddy is delusional if he thinks Jones is fighting again if he's suspended

US commissions respect each other decisions in that aspect, i wish they'd agree in one rule-set too so we can end this madness of different rules for each event

They might release him if he gets a really long suspension, but it wouldn't be immediate. Might depend on how much Jones is willing to spend to get out of it though. If he just went overseas with no notice or permission, he wouldn't enjoy the result.

And the current 50 variants of rulesets when it comes to weight cutting and fight rules is insane. You can maybe expect a rocked guy to know the rules that he's been using for months. You can't expect that same guy to remember which specific rules are or aren't in place after 3 rounds of getting punched in the head.

 

[209 Life]

Jones would get sued up the ying-yang

 

[TheRassler]

This isn't pro wrestling.

Pro wrestling isn't real.


Comparing Jon Jones's situation to an over-inflated actor who greases himself up for his adolescent fans makes you look dumb.

You do know that WWE is fake right? Steroids are taken a little more seriously, and overseen by actual Athletic Commissions, in actual combat sports.

You do know that both athletes are independent contractors right? Real or fake, these guys are independent contractors yet both organizations restrict them in every aspect of their careers. WWE is more controlling than the UFC, they own your name AFTER you leave the company and make millions off their wrestlers long after they're retired.

Go google the chris benoit story, he made steroids being taken seriously in WWE.

 

[executionermma]

I mean, that's pretty BS imo, these guys are INDEPENDENT contractors, they should be allowed to fight anywhere. It's like if Brock got popped in WWE (yes, all pro wrestlers are independent contractors too), he can ask for his release, and still go to other wrestling organizations and wrestle there, most of them go overseas and come back with no issues.

I don't think so, if you disrespect the rules of a promotion trying to cheat you have to be punished by them.

 

[TheRassler]

I don't think so, if you disrespect the rules of a promotion trying to cheat you have to be punished by them.

OK exactly, that’s one promotion, there’s a dozen other promotions out there you should be able to go to. It’s like if you’re playing in the NFL or NBA and the player violates the organization’s rules, and that team terminates the player’s contract, now that player is free to go to any other team or promotion in the world that would pick him up. In those two major sports leagues, players have violated drug abuse, steroid abuse, domestic abuse, DUI’s, scandals, gun charges, the list goes on and on, and those players are free to go play in any organization in the world. Just because the NBA bans them, they can go play in the CBA (Canada) or any Europe League. Same goes for NFL, they have the option of playing in other leagues and still make a living and get paid.

Why is it that when a fighter gets suspended from 1 commission, he is basically banned from all of them? Is it because those other 2 major sports, NFL and NBA, have a player’s union? And these fighters are pretty much screwed because nobody is standing up for their rights as an independent contractor?