Jon Jones breaks down why he is ahead of Khabib in the GOAT conversation

Jones dominated men that Khabib would never be able to compete with.
Uh, you don't say? he's not a more skilled wrestler though, definitely not p4p.
And yet despite relying solely on his wrestling, Jones is still a superior wrestler. This is obvious when watching them move in the cage.
If you think so? That's not an argument though.
Khabib looks like a man who has developed his skillset over decades, refining and refining and has become the epitome of nurture.
Last time i've checked, Jones has wrestled in highschool as well, but it doesn't really matter.
Jones looks like a natural who simply excels because he is superior.
So, in other words: Jones is simple someone who's good at something because he's good at something? lol.
Nature > Nurture every time.
Nope man. What counts is the reality. If i'd follow your flawed logic, BJ Penn would've been the best fighter of all time (or at least amongst the top) because he was so gifted.
Also, MMA is amongst the sports where natural talent is comparably little required.
If someone is both very disciplined and smart, chances are he's better suited for MMA than some of those "talented" guys.

But anyways, you can talk about Jones being so supremely talented all you want, after all, he's not as good of a wrestler as Khabib is.
 
Khabib is not even in the top 5 GOATS. Maybe in the top 10.

His resume is a joke compared to Jones. How many world champions has Khabib beaten?
A lot of the former champs Jones beat were on their way out of the sport. That's has to be taken into context as well
 
  1. Jon Jones became champion when he was 23 years old
  2. Won 2 times the Ufc LH title
  3. Defended 10 times his title (11 in a few days)
  4. Dominated the LH division since 2011
  5. Fought against guys with big names (Badder, DC, Evans, Jackson, Machida, Belfort)
Jones >>>>>> Khabib
 
What I'm talking about is the grace of movement, the ballet-like brilliance of performance when they display their agility and skill and ability.
I love fighters who look fluid in their movement as much as anyone else, but fighting is about what works, not what's looking graceful.
 
Jones dominated men that Khabib would never be able to compete with.


And yet despite relying solely on his wrestling, Jones is still a superior wrestler. This is obvious when watching them move in the cage.

Khabib looks like a man who has developed his skillset over decades, refining and refining and has become the epitome of nurture.
Jones looks like a natural who simply excels because he is superior.
Nature > Nurture every time.
P4P Conrad and Poirier shit on all JJ wins.
JJ never fought fighters with the technique and overall skill level as Conrat and Poirier.
Higher weightclasses in mma simply don't produce such fighters. Jones is the only somewhat A level athlete at 205.
That is why he wins.

Khabib Bless
 
Saying Khabib lost to Tibau, is exactly like saying Jones lost to Santos..

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The official scorecards say otherwise on both counts.

That was opinion, but dealing in fact- Jones is correct. He was fighting world champions when Khabib was fighting bums in Russia in 2 round fights.
 
He's 100% right.

The resume & skillset aren't there.
 
It's not much of an argument, unless you take PED's into consideration.

Khabib hasn't been busted, Jones has. Some think PED's immediately disqualify you from being GOAT, others don't.
 
That was opinion, but dealing in fact- Jones is correct. He was fighting world champions when Khabib was fighting bums in Russia in 2 round fights.
I have Jones ahead of Khabib in GOAT talks.. no argument there.

Only highlighting that if you question Khabib's win over Tibau, the exactly same thing can be done with Jones split decision win over Santos..
 
Khabib is nowhere near GOAT, he has not beat enough top guys and only has 2 title defense, let him defend the belt 15+ times and then we can talk.
 
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Jones fought old celebrity fighters.
He just fought declining names.

Khabib Bless


We can play this game both ways. Khabib fought Conor who barely beat Diaz, and Poirier who got folded quickly by Conor.

They are both great fighters. Dare I say Khabib hadn't fought the "DC" of his weight class. An all time great with great all around game and excellent wrestling. They don't exist at 155 besides Khabib.
 
We can play this game both ways. Khabib fought Conor who barely beat Diaz, and Poirier who got folded quickly by Conor.

They are both great fighters. Dare I say Khabib hadn't fought the "DC" of his weight class. An all time great with great all around game and excellent wrestling. They don't exist at 155 besides Khabib.
Tony > DC

Khabib Bless
 
P4P Conrad and Poirier shit on all JJ wins.
JJ never fought fighters with the technique and overall skill level as Conrat and Poirier.
Higher weightclasses in mma simply don't produce such fighters. Jones is the only somewhat A level athlete at 205.
That is why he wins.

Khabib Bless
Yeah wins against legends like rampage, rashad evans, ryan badder, dc 2x, viktor belfort, Machida are nothing compared to wins against Mcgregor and Dustin "the fucking legend" poirier
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A lot of the former champs Jones beat were on their way out of the sport. That's has to be taken into context as well

Let's break down Jones resume. Will focus on only the world champions he beat.

Ryan Bader - Was 12-0 and undefeated fighter at that time.
Shogun Rua - Was the current champion when he was beaten by Jones, he was 19-4 at that time.
Rampage Jackson - Was 32-9 and coming off a 2 fight win streak.
Lyoto Machida - Was 17-2 and just had spectacular knock out win over Randy Couture.
Rashad Evans - Was 17-1-1 when he fought Jones and had a four fight win streak.
Vitor Belfort - Was 21-9 and had a 2 fight win streak beating Rumble Johnson and Akiyama.
Daniel Cormier - Was 15-0 and obviously was an undefeated fighter at that time.

So all these guys we're not out of the sport as you say. They were all legit elite competition.
 
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His competition and his skills > abyss > Khabib. Not even close. Jones is a genius, Khabib is a very talented fighter. There is a difference.
 
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