Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by Maori, Jun 29, 2020.
Travis Fulton had a win streak of 40 in a row. Who gives a shit lol
Shields fought guys like Carlos Condit, Yushin Okami, Robbie Lawler, and Dan Henderson outside the UFC.
Fitch fought guys like Chris Wilson, Roan Carneiro, Luigi Fioravanti, and Kuniyoshi Hironaka inside the UFC.
It's completely different. Shields has a legit resume.
WW was the most talented weight class when GSP reigned. Guys like Shields, Fitch, Alves, Penn, Hendricks were beating everyone until they fought GSP. BTW a juiced Hendricks couldn't even knock GSP down much less knock him out.
Back during GSP and Silva's era, beating top 20 at WW was the equivalent of beating a top 10 WW. Simple demographics.
Good wrestlers at MW in that era : Sonnen and Munoz (HEndo wasn't wrestling anymore)
Good wrestlers at WW with mma skills equal or greater than Sonnen : GSP Fitch Shields Pierce Hendricks Kos Story.
Good strikers at MW : Silva and Vitor
WW : GSP Alves Diaz Condit
The number of active WW in the UFC was almost triple the amount there was a MW. Good strikers struggled to get into the top 10. You cunts think that just because a division is wrestler-heavy it means it's weak. Thats how dumb you are.
I didnt ask about travis fulton, i asked about you.
Diminishing the value of jon fitch winning 16 fights in a row is something a shertard does because they dont like his fighting style.
He wins fights. Dont get mad about it homie.
I'm devaluing his win streak because he didn't beat quality opponents, which is what anyone that watches MMA does otherwise we'd be calling every undercard fighter coming directly from the minor leagues the best of the division because they're all on 10 fight win streaks.
A win streak is only as relevant as your competition.
Guy beat everybody the ufc gave him. Including top 15 WW, at the time, Josh Burkman, and top 15 Thiago Alves.
Josh Burkman was one of the best in the division homie. Get over it.
Congrats on defeating two top 15 fighters over the course of 16 fights. That would make him the 10th ranked WW at best.
Only a noob would call burkman nameless.
Based on merit in the cage, cutting Fitch was probably the most blatant "F-U" ever to any fighter. He deserved better.
There's a definitive difference, for sure. I wasn't discrediting Shields, just stating fact. He started his UFC career 1-2 iirc, after winning 14 in a row outside of the big show.
Top 15 WWs >>> top 10 MWs. Demographics.
12 years later GSP fans still working hard to not let their fighter be viewed as the boring decision machine he was, I respect the determination but give it a rest. GSP was boring, GSP was a greaser.
I love how you separate them into wrestlers and strikers because none of them can do both except Hendricks.
At MW you had guys like Marquardt, Maia, Bisping, Palhares, Okami, Belcher on top of the guys you already named. To pretend that MW was weak and WW was stacked was and always will be laughable.
Also Diaz and Shields were not in the UFC when Hardy got his title shot, but you tried...
I don't know this joke
Sometimes 17 words is worth a lot more than 17 lines of pure bias bro. Less words, more wisdom. Learn it.
Baffles me that people actually try to argue that GSP isn't the GOAT
I'd love to see prime Royce and Prime GSP point eachother to death.
I don't have a GOAT per se, but great and dominant both belong in the same breath as GSP. That’s a given
Massive n00b post. It was WSOF, not Bellator. And Josh Burkman is far from a "nameless slob". Give yourself an uppercut.
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