Jon ‘Slow’ Jones

[Ares Black]

Agreed, but without a win against Jones Aspinall is unlikely to end up with any wins that compare to Miocic's best wins and Miocic has a couple of vastly overrated wins on top of his actual good wins that all top beating Pavlovich in the public eye. Aspinall will need a definitively better record than Miocic to be UFC HW GOAT without beating Jones.

And he will get it. No one is beating Aspinall for the foreseeable future.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

Waaaaa Jon won't vacate and is trolling everyone but I refuse to blame the UFC for not stripping him and allowing this to happen

 

[BroScienceTalkatWork]

Boy you guys just can’t seem to talk about anyone else..

 

[JBJ was here]

And he will get it. No one is beating Aspinall for the foreseeable future.

Aspinall's a legit -400 to -700 favorite against any non-Jones opponent for the foreseeable future, but upsets happen, injuries happen, getting older happens, slowing down a hair and not fully adjusting happens, losing motivation happens, and even in Aspinall's position, once you count all the ways something might happen to derail him from being UFC HW GOAT, he's well below 50% to be GOAT without a win against Jones. If everything happens along the lines of maximum probability, sure, he'll be UFC HW GOAT in a few years, but ordinary upset possibilities alone bring that down to no better than about 50/50, and then there's everything else that can go not quite right.

Projecting fighters' careers more than a couple of fights out and taking those projections seriously is a sucker's game, especially when you're projecting an outlier.

 

[Ares Black]

Aspinall's a legit -400 to -700 favorite against any non-Jones opponent for the foreseeable future, but upsets happen, injuries happen, getting older happens, slowing down a hair and not fully adjusting happens, losing motivation happens, and even in Aspinall's position, once you count all the ways something might happen to derail him from being UFC HW GOAT, he's well below 50% to be GOAT without a win against Jones. If everything happens along the lines of maximum probability, sure, he'll be UFC HW GOAT in a few years, but ordinary upset possibilities alone bring that down to no better than about 50/50, and then there's everything else that can go not quite right.

Projecting fighters' careers more than a couple of fights out and taking those projections seriously is a sucker's game, especially when you're projecting an outlier.

I'm not sure you understand the concept of a hype train TBH

 

[VAfan]

He sure wasn't too fast for Stuart Austin. Or will the coping fanboys suggest he's so much faster now at 32 than 22? Hmmm how fascinating, he somehow changed his genetics for speed and got faster as he aged, very cool.

you seem to have some kind of OCD obsession with this fight.

even if it were true, and even if it wasn't a million years ago, a guy can have an off night. but since it's not true and it did in fact take place fully ten years ago, it becomes even sillier.

 

[AndrewGolota48]

you seem to have some kind of OCD obsession with this fight.

even if it were true, and even if it wasn't a million years ago, a guy can have an off night. but since it's not true and it did in fact take place fully ten years ago, it becomes even sillier.

What's not true? Are you suggesting the fight video was ai or something?

 

[JKS]

You're in denial. Badly outwrestled in a small show by an opponent 30 lbs lighter. 30 lbs! Imagine what Jones would do. And this is just from round 1 haha. Takedowns, judo throws, positional dominance, raining down GNP.

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Why are you bringing up a fight from a regional show from 2015??

 

[JKS]

No...never said he was slow. Just stating that his speed is something Jones can handle.

There is a difference in being able to handle someone speed when they are basically an amateur and their skill level is very low, and being able to handle it when the fighter has fully developed and their skill level is considerably higher.

You're insinuating Tom is the same fighter lol.

 

[TempleoftheDog]

He sure wasn't too fast for Stuart Austin. Or will the coping fanboys suggest he's so much faster now at 32 than 22? Hmmm how fascinating, he somehow changed his genetics for speed and got faster as he aged, very cool.

Because a person can’t get better, or faster over 10 years? With high level training?

Or is getting better just reserved for lowlife, cheating, assholes, like Jones? You know.. PEDs and all?

 

[AstralPanda]

I kinda feel for Tom

I actually thought the chances of that fight happening were pretty 50/50

Even Dana said he agreed then did a 180

Where that turned seems to be when word got out that Ngannou might be coming back.

If you’re in Jon’s shoes, you don’t need to fight again, all the leverage is in your hands, so you’re more than happy waiting a bit if there’s even a chance Ngannou comes back.

That represents the ideal fight which checks all the boxes for him. Big name, established, more accolades, likely a bigger money fight, more history.

Objectively you could understand why Ngannou would be more alluring compared with Aspinall, who doesn’t really have the resume and staying power, even if he’s a bigger talent in the division than even ngannou.

It’s kinda like why Leon Edward’s was avoided for so long in that division, or Belal right after him. It’s not that they’re outright afraid of the opponent as much as it’s an opponent who is as tough as they come, while simultaneously not being that exciting or interesting.

I’ve said it before, when you get to that age, it’s not just about money or how tough the opponent is, but do they get you truly motivated and excited to wake up in the morning and run every day. It’s hard to get up and run when you sleep in silk sheets, so who is the guy that really gets your blood boiling.

And this isn’t just Jones, but most pros at the end of their career. Even DJ said he’s ONLY coming back if it’s a fight that truly gets his dick hard. I think it’s a factor that a lot of people don’t consider.


Where it’s even more significant for Jones is that he’s struggled with that kind of motivation for his entire career. Very rarely did we see him at his best, even when he was winning, especially after his first few defences. But he was so good that he would just pull it out regardless, even if he wasn’t at 100%, partied leading up to fights, didn’t train as hard as he should’ve.

The fight against Reyes encapsulated him treating his career like another day at the office. Even Smith, DC, Rashad said he just wasn’t as motivated at the end of his LHW run. Which you could say is a large reason why he committed to moving up in the first place.

In a way, at least in Jon’s eyes, you could say Aspinall represents the same energy that he tried to get away from at LHW. A tough, talented but overall uninteresting challenger

At that age, when you’re struggling to fight the motivation to keep doing this and are on your last legs in the sport, unless your opponent truly lights a fire under your ass and brings something out of you, then you probably shouldn’t be fighting to begin with.

I understand how it looks when you duck someone, but I genuinely believe opponent selection is a lot more complex than the average fan gives it credit for at that age. There’s a lot of factors that go into it which people don’t consider, not just for Jones but all of them, especially if you’ve already paid your dues and competed against the best this sport has had to offer, it will be even more difficult to get an opponent who draws out the sort of passion you need that will justify taking it.

Even if it’s a giant payday, if there’s any chance that won’t be the best version of you because you don’t feel it, you shouldn’t be fighting. It needs to be something you truly feel passionate about. If you just do it for money, this is how fighters get knocked in their final fight.


At this point it’s looking like UFC strips him, Ngannou fights out his final fight in the PFL, comes back to the ufc and fights Jon, then they both call it a career.

 

[mkess101]

Why are you bringing up a fight from a regional show from 2015??

Bringing it up??? Golota thinks the entire HW landscape revolves around that fight LMAO.

 

[BangBang]

Bouncing around on the moon is fast? Yo...

 

[r-harper-1]

I feel like Aspinall’s speed is what concerns jones ….Jones fairly slow at heavyweight and Aspinall incredibly fast for his size …. Good thread lol

 

[Luffy]

Bro...stop

Stop what? Be specific

 

[Luffy]

I feel like Aspinall’s speed is what concerns jones ….Jones fairly slow at heavyweight and Aspinall incredibly fast for his size …. Good thread lol

If anything that concerned him,mas lack of data. Tom fought opponents whose win : loss ration were very bad until going to the UFC. And in the UFC he got 1st KO wins, impressive, elite HW, but no data... The question mark in itself is tough for a fighter like JJ who likes to tape study. That's what was highlighted for why Tom was a little more dangerous than Poatan... He could study Poatan. Tom could study JJ as he has seen all his fight, which is a huge advantage coming from a young athlete, without near the same level of battle scars JJ has had and who can plan to JJ but he himself fought no world champion and is hard to be analysed.

But that doesn't stop JJ. JJ likes the situations he's doubted. He since said he wanted to go to HW so ppl would doubt him... Saying that being the underdog would fel very nice. But he would play anyways. He's just keeping the narrative up so he keeps being seen as an underdog.

But he is more likely to win I'd say. Tom is fast, but JJ has many ways to stop it... His jab is one of the most accurate ones from UFC, and his considerable reach advantage can set the range to side kicks, oblique kicks... Tom has a pattern of feinting, and using his quick hands ... But his patters attack is consistently a jab —> cross —> hook. It's not a flow that baits you in so much like Poatan. Is more chaotic and a pattern that doesn't require to be quicker to anticipate... And when JJ lands front kicks, kicks to the solar plexus, Tom's explosiveness won't be the same.

And we have seen Tom was tired after the first round with Arlovski... His cardio isn't that good for all we know. And he's a jiujitsu black belt, but so were many fighters who JJ dominated in the ground. JJ even said Gane focused too much on jiujitsu instead of solid takedown defense... And when Tom attacks, he lunges room much, which favors clinching from JJ, collar ties, which will drag the fight to other rounds. JJ being early KO'd is the least realistic scenario.

And when it gets to the third round, To may have won the first two, but JJ is a master of avoiding heavy damage and has a chin like no other fighter... The I see him starting taking over from round 3 and winning a UD or a late finish or TKO. The narrative that JJ was ducking and all... Tom is very good, but I say confidently, and I am pretty confident we will see soon and I like my analysis... JJ weathers the storm and wins in a good fight , competitive, but no controversial. Or maybe a 4 or 5 round TKO...

No fighter could beat JJ. Jiri saying his dream match is JJ because he's the best is telling ... He posted even a quick homage to JJ with an still!! ... But yeah, Jiri would be dominated by JJ the same way Miocic was, or maybe even easier. Takedown too heavy for Jiri... Then his striking is more polished, technical and he is a better fighter in basically all aspects with still a peak performance. It's be like a JJ vs Miocic scenario. Pereira at his best, fully healthy (like when he fought Jiri the second time) would be the one that imo would be JJ's biggest test... In a Gus 1 perhaps epic clash. It's a pity the fight didn't happen because I have always maintained it would have been the best fight and most interesting one. Pereira had the opportunity to go and fight JJ before Tom, Dana said so, he needed to vacate the 205 belt and go straight to fight JJ... But as a competitor, he said he wouldn't go without fighting Ankalaev... And fought him due to tight schedule when not at his best shape at all. Still no pull off, nothing... If JJ is the most dominant fighter, Pereira to me is the Fedor 2 ... Someone who isn't ever afraid and won't be talking too much, will just back up through fighting and always putting his best no matter if he has staph, cold, broken toe... He's there to win...

He's the captain of the UFC and there's a reason fighters like DDP, Khamzat, etc. mention him and JJ mostly... They see true greatness.

 

[mkess101]

Stop what? Be specific

Looking like an outright nutjob claiming Jones fought Aspinall already. It was weird to begin with. I promise I'm trying to help you here LOL. Like Jerry McGuire said, "Help me help you".

 

[MetaIIica]

He sure wasn't too fast for Stuart Austin. Or will the coping fanboys suggest he's so much faster now at 32 than 22? Hmmm how fascinating, he somehow changed his genetics for speed and got faster as he aged, very cool.

And Jon wasn't good enough to beat Matt Hammill

 

[MetaIIica]

This anti jones cult is reaching its peak, some of you guys are getting obsessed, and pinging off each other like worker bees feeding off a hive mind.

People need to learn how to disconnect emotionally from all this stuff.

Wanting Jones to vacate becomes so emotionally charged that you have to hate everything the man has ever said or done, literally the sort of extremism and derangement you see in hypnotized cult members.

Just saying

All of these Polarizing, side picking, extremist hate or love fests on the internet end up like this. People treat everything like it’s a 2 party political system with very little in between or room for nuance.

A lot of people just happen to come to the same conclusion, so it is a hivemind in a way, but there's also the Jon Jones nuthuggers "hivemind" that want to discredit any information that makes Jon Jones look weak.

Also I only mentioned Jones massive speed disadvantage, I did not mention any of the other things the "haters" do, such as being popped multiple times for Steroids, Hiding under boxing rings from usada, DUI into pregnant woman, letting homeless people shoot his guns while drunk and DUI, winning heavyweight belt then literally turning his Picture into a duck with the HW belt and refusing to defend it.

• 11/24/11 Arrested at a strip club for driving on a suspended license. He knew he had prior violations that had caused his license to be suspended. He just did not care.
• 5/19/12 Crashed his Bentley into a utility pole injuring 2 passengers. Convicted of DUI. As an ER doctor I have serious issues with people who drive while impaired and put everyone in danger.
• 4/14/12 Sent a homophobic text to a fan. Does not accept responsibility. Claims his phone was stolen and his account hacked.
• 9/23/14 Fined $50,000 by the Nevada State Athletic Committee for a pre-fight, fight.
• 1/16/15 Fails his drug test. Flees to rehab, but leaves the next day. Only stayed for one night. UFC still allowed him to fight.
• 4/27/15 Hit and Run! Injured a pregnant woman and fled the scene. Did not turn himself in until it was clear he had been identified. Pattern of attempting to escape responsibility when he hurts others. Gets 18 months probation.
• 3/29/16 Arrested for violating his probation. While on probation for injuring a pregnant woman driving while impaired he is caught drag racing. Again putting others on the road at high risk. On police body camera he is screaming at the officer that he is a "F---ing liar and a pig". No remorse. No insight to his pattern of endangering his community. Given another chance. Anger management and driving classes.
• 6/6/16 Tests positive for performance enhancing drugs. In MMA PEDs don't just let you hit more home runs, they make it so you can punch people harder and inflict more damage. He is harming his fellow fighters. Gets on TV and cries about how deeply it hurts him to be considered a cheat.
• 8/22/17 Tests positive for the steroid Turinabol. He literally is allowed to punch his competitors as hard as he can, but he chooses to take drugs to be able to hit even harder.
• 12/23/18 In a bizarre move the UFC moves the entire fight card from Las Vegas to Los Angeles so Jon can still fight when he again has Turinabol in his system.
• 4/19/19 Waitress at a strip club files police report that Jon put her in a choke hold, kissed her neck and rubbed her genitals when she declined to give him a private lap dance. Uses his strength, well honed techniques and intimidation to molest a nearly naked girl less than 1/2 his size.
• 6/21/19 Warrant Issued for Jon J after he fails to show up for his bond arraignment for the strip club assault.
• 10/15/19 Settles his strip club assault charge by pleading guilty to disorderly conduct.
• 3/26/20 Arrested for DUI and negligent use of a gun. Just doing a bit of drinking and driving and shooting. Again, DUI drivers cause so much harm in out communities. He continues to demonstrate a consistent pattern of just not caring about anyone else. He is not just dangerous in the cage. He is much more dangerous behind the wheel.
• Today. 9/24/2021 Arrested for domestic violence and damage to a car. 250 pounds of lean mean fighting machine raging against a tiny woman.

 

[Gutter Chris]

Jon might be a crackhead but it's tom that has crackhead speed.

Jones isn't a crackhead though .