John Kavanagh Interview (Dissing American Wrestling)

whougonnacall said:
Kavanagh correctly points out wrestling is wrestling and eastern europeans wrestlers are at least as good as the best americans at wrestling and his gym is full of eastern europeans
and then talks about mendes not having much finesse.its others who talked on and on about the american wrestler test for connor.....all kavanaghs pointing out is hes trained with guys just as good.and u can learn wrestling anywhere.
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The euros are great at freestyle. But folkstyle, which is by and large whats taught in America. Is actually better suited for MMA as its based on control. If I was training a guy to fight a DIV 1 wrestler. Ideally I wouldnt bring in freestylers to get him ready.
 
Yeah natural talent, which is a thing in my opinion. Some people are just faster, stronger, more agile, more flexible than others without training. To dismiss it is just silly
 
whougonnacall said:
Exactly
T.s has warped this to some anti american wrestling comment when in reality its just an accurate response to all the pre fight 'connors ducking wrestlers \wait til he meets a d1 or ncaa guy ' talk that swamped mma forums
Hes not dissed anyone here but mendes....which is expected pre fight.
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Which seems fair enough. Especially when Mendes kept going on about his wrestling alone/putting Conor on his back - and calling himself the Mike Tyson of the division - being enough to beat him.

It's funny how someone just a few posts ago said Mendes was an average NCAA wrestler. Yet before the fight someone had talked about him losing in a 'controversial match' to make the Olympic trials.
 
George Jetson said:
Quote from a John Kavanagh interview before he fought Mendes:



Source: http://middleeasy.com/fighting/item/15594-john-kavanagh-explains-why-conor-mcgregor-will-whip-chad-mendes-ass


I'm a huge Conor fan who thinks he's the GOAT and will easily beatdown Jose Aldo.

But John Kavanagh's dismissal of "American Blast Doubles" (as he derogatorily calls them) is why Conor was grounded for much of his fight with Mendes.

John, buddy, if you're reading this thread you need to listen the fuck up.

Who the fuck cares if Chad has "finesse" -- if he can take Conor down at will.

The eastern European wrestlers who train at SBG Ireland obviously ain't up to American standards -- else Conor wouldn't have been taken down and held down so easily.

Granted, he was injured before the fight and couldn't train wrestling.

But it's clear that Conor's wrestling just wasn't good enough to stop Chad's blast doubles, regardless of whether he trained wrestling or not. He also needs to learn to get the fuck up once taken down.

Got that, John? I'm talking to you, sir.

SBG Ireland needs to hire top American wrestlers to start training with Conor.

I really think Conor is being held back by his loyalty to Kavanagh's euro-centric training regimen.

Lord knows Cathal is being held back by Kavanagh, cuz that mother fucker hasn't improved one iota in his entire UFC tenure.

I'm beginning to think SBG Ireland is too proud to evolve to the next level of MMA.

Discuss.
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TS needs to learn reading comprehension. There was no "DIS" there. It was a statement of fact. Chad shoots lots of blast doubles. That is a power move not a finesse move. There is nothing inherently derogatory in that statement.

Also, Conor got up every time chad made a move and arguable won the ground striking exchange. He certainly nullified an offense that Chad tried. Nobody stops Chad's blast doubles so being taken down is no shame.
 
dittohead84 said:
Yeah natural talent, which is a thing in my opinion. Some people are just faster, stronger, more agile, more flexible than others without training. To dismiss it is just silly
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Here's what he said:

 
trblesome1 said:
He also trains a bunch of other unsuccessful fighters like Cathal
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4-1 in the UFC is unsuccessful? How about Holohan, 3-1 in the UFC, is he also unsuccessful? Or Gunnar Nelson, 5-1 in the UFC. Unsuccessful, right?
 
Is this a joke?
Bob Lashly and its not even close.

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Obsidian said:
The euros are great at freestyle. But folkstyle, which is by and large whats taught in America. Is actually better suited for MMA as its based on control. If I was training a guy to fight a DIV 1 wrestler. Ideally I wouldnt bring in freestylers to get him ready.
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Its hard to say given how few eastern europeans wrestlers weve seen so far,itd be great if a few more of their grecco and freestyle beasts took to mma instead of always being sambo guys
Control wise if there was any difference it prob gets lost in the context of mma anyway as the guys all also train bjj (shit most are also adding judo,catch and sambo lessons in where they can now too)
Gsp comes to mind as a guy whos game was all freestyle and bjj and it was utterly smothering
 
whougonnacall said:
Its hard to say given how few eastern europeans wrestlers weve seen so far
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There have been a lot tbh. Nurmogomedov and Khabilov and all those Dagestanis. Then there's those Chechans that Roger Huerta is training. There must be at least 20 East European wrestling stylists in the UFC now.
 
Peteyandjia said:
Completely naive statement. Seems you have no idea what a gigantic difference a good influence can make in a person's life.

Without John Kavanagh, Conor McGregor would be a plumber right now.
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"We're not here to take part.
We're here to take a shit."
 
Bogeyman said:
There have been a lot tbh. Nurmogomedov and Khabilov and all those Dagestanis. Then there's those Chechans that Roger Huerta is training. There must be at least 20 East European wrestling stylists in the UFC now.
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Theres a few
In general the ufc is letting in more and more non americans who arent brazilian or canadian so im sure wel see more
It could be good for the sport too as while folkstyle has more emphasis on control it has more restrictions on throws and slamming guys than grecco or freestyle too and people like seeing that shit
 
whougonnacall said:
Control wise if there was any difference it prob gets lost in the context of mma anyway as the guys all also train bjj (shit most are also adding judo,catch and sambo lessons in where they can now too)
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This is kind of an ignorant statement that shows a lack of knowledge of various wrestling styles. There's a massive difference in the focus of Folkstyle wrestling vs the Olympic styles. Unfortunately way too many people still think wrestling = takedowns. Matwork is a critical part of wrestling. Olympic matwork rewards explosion and risk, Folkstyle rewards control.

One of the single most powerful aspects of Folkstyle wrestling that's criminally underrated in MMA is: If you get taken down, no one is going to stand you back up. It's all on you to escape.

Olympic wrestling lacks that component.

Eastern Europeans are the best wrestlers in the world certainly, but their style isn't the best for MMA.

The "Iowa style" gives Americans a bit of a bad name in international wrestling, but saying American wrestlers lack finesse is just showing ignorance. The best wrestler in the world is an American who uses "blast doubles" extensively. Shooting any takedown at a high level requires set ups, timing, commitment and flawless execution. Don't mistake Chad Mendes' double with just guy at the regional levels double. And for that matter don't mistake Jordan Burroughs' double for a Chad Mendes double.

In MMA too it's very often the most basic techniques that work because more graceful looking techniques often don't work so well when you're getting punched in the face. Especially at a high level.
 
Conor destroyed the best wrestler in the division.

Kavanaugh bless.
 
John knows guys!!! He's had a ton of champs come through his gym!!!
 
Didn't Conor mess up his knee and couldn't wrestle in camp even prior to the opponent change? He got surgery right after the fight.

Maybe you're criticizing his coach too hard, there's a lot of other factors. And he's not entirely wrong. The double is not a finesse takedown, it uses up a ton of energy if defended because your opponent will put his full weight on you during the sprawl. There are more economic takedowns is all he's saying.
 
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