Economy John Hopkins : US healthcare cost is highest in developed world.

[ultramanhyata]

Leftists are wrong. Healthcare is not a right.

Christians are way ahead of the curve on this realization. Since they understand that being healed by God is not a human right it's obvious to them that being healed by a medical professional shouldn't be a human right either.

 

[Lubaolong]

That's easy enough to resolve. Simply make medicine a 4 year post-high school program, like it is in those countries. Then your budding physician only has 4 years of education debt, not 8.

I don’t think that would really help too much. A lot of people smart enough to go to med school were also smart enough to attend college for free. Even if you take loans for college, state school tuition+fees average around $9k a year. That’s nothing compared to the 250-300k+ debt you can accumulate from medical school that quickly balloons during your years of low-income postgraduate training due to high interest rates. When you finally start making money and are able to start paying your loans, you might have a 50k balance from undergrad and $500k from med school.

 

[Lubaolong]

Not sure how you are defining "into medicine". The average RN, NP and PA all make less than 150K. Even the average physician salary is under 200K.

Average physician base salary is $211k from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Average total compensation is $299k for 2018 per Medscape.

 

[all caps]

I know I never would have gone into medicine if it only paid around $100-150k. No way would it be worth it.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that someone in medicine with more than 150k reasons for caring would be pushing for mandatory vaccination.

Hes much smarter than you and knows what's best for you and your family guys. It's to make man better (and it's good for you)

Just trust him

 

[panamaican]

Physiotherapy used to be a 4 year program up here in canada like what you are suggesting, having 22 and 23 year old immature ignorant physios is why they changed it to a masters and phd program. They got way better students and practitioners out of it. I have to agree with the poster above in this regard.

There are many ways to improve the education aspects (all), but cutting that portion out tends to produce weaker and less driven practitioners. Considering being a doctor is harder than physio, compound that into the equation also.

Side note: med school tuition is 20 to 25k a year in canada. In the us it is around 250k over 4 years (quick google).

Not really because the US system still requires multiyear residencies after medical school. You don't walk out of medical school and start practicing. And no disrespect to physiotherapists but there's nowhere near an equivalent level of testing and licensing required for that field as there is for doctors.

 

[panamaican]

I don’t think that would really help too much. A lot of people smart enough to go to med school were also smart enough to attend college for free. Even if you take loans for college, state school tuition+fees average around $9k a year. That’s nothing compared to the 250-300k+ debt you can accumulate from medical school that quickly balloons during your years of low-income postgraduate training due to high interest rates. When you finally start making money and are able to start paying your loans, you might have a 50k balance from undergrad and $500k from med school.

Yes but you now have 4 more years of earning to address it.

If you don't like that, there's always the more practical solution. Allow more people to qualify as healthcare providers. This will create a provider base that doesn't have the medical school overhead. Thus people who want to deal with the debt can go to medical school and people who don't want to deal with the debt can pursue less costly alternatives.

 

[ultramanhyata]

Average physician base salary is $211k from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Average total compensation is $299k for 2018 per Medscape.

Here is the data I was citing:

"Physician Assistants earned an average salary of $104,760 in 2017. Comparable jobs earned the following average salary in 2017: Physicians made $198,370, Nurse Anesthetists made $169,450, Nurse Practitioners made $107,480, and Registered Nurses made $73,550."


https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/physician-assistant/salary

What health field are you in?

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

I have never heard anyone use that argument before.

I dont recall ever hearing even from the far right that the reasons for high medical costs in America is not due to closed markets allowing companies to monopolized/limit competition allowing them to drive up prices. Which could be taken care of if a free market is created allowing all insurance companies into all markets to compete to drive prices down.

As is, right now. You get a few options for insurance in your area. Say you need an X-ray. Which ever insurance you have is only covered by a portion of the providers and so most providers unify their prices since there is no competition and thus, an x-ray is going to cost about the same everywhere.

Kick that market open. Allow every single insurance company to insure anyone, anywhere...suddenly 100s of companies are trying to get you as their customer and their coverage prices drop to do it. Now the medical service market is suddenly kicked open also, they will have to accept all providers since anyone can be covered by any company (no longer limited to a few choices)...now, suddenly needing an x-ray is vastly different as you can now visit ANYPLACE that does x-rays since they will accept your insurance.

What will that do to prices? lower them. Because you will no longer be FORCED to get an x-ray at certain places like before and now they will need an incentive to make you choose them out of the many choices available to you.

Problem solved. No need for socialized anything. No need for new regulations. No need for more convoluted laws or market controls.

That argument is made every time this comes up

 

[Prutfis]

I don't think it's rushing it at all. Medical school is already only 4 years. It's the undergraduate component that would be axed. Consolidate the prereqs into 1.5 years. Move one year of the clinical years into the residencies and the subspecialties.

Medicine is not a field I would be comfortable with watering down

 

[EradiatedHaggis]

Dafuk are you even talking about? No one in western europe thinks they are getting their healthcare for free. People are very aware that it is mainly tax funded. It´s certainly not something used to "trick socialists".
Healthcare is one of the few things the left and right pretty much agree on in western europe. There isn´t a single party (left or right) that would try to go the free market/privatized with insurance middlemen/unregulated route that you suggest. And you certainly won´t hear anyone saying "hey let´s get the US model". We already have P4P (penny 4 penny?) the best healthcare.

Biggest lies of the 20th? lol. That would be trickle down economics.

Your opening says it all, you dont know what I am talking about because you didnt actually read it, or understand it.

"Sanders could offer the prospect of “free” health care for all"
https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/bernie-sanders-and-the-realists

You will find this shit all over leftist news outlets and spewing out of the mouths of those pushing it. And yes, they say it to trick socialists into thinking they are getting something without paying for it.

And Europe still has privatized insurance you dumb cunt.

Germany? Gothaer Group, AXA, Allianz, DKV...just 4 of the 113 insurance companies Germany PAYS to provide its people insurance.

I can do this shit for every European nation. YOU, pay your GOVERNMENT money via forced tax, to give to PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES to provide YOU with HEALTH CARE. That is not socialism. That is forced Capitalism. And the fact you cannot even see that as a lie shows how great a lie it is. Such well trained dogs you cant see you are literally owned by private companies since you must work and must pay them, by law.

 

[Beechwood]

It is amazing at how costly health care is in America. Yet, compared to other western countries that pay much less, life expectancy is about the same between western countries.

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

1. Why is health care different from all other markets? Open free markets WORKS on everything and that has been proven by 100s of years of it doing so.

2. Socialist medicine does not work on half the planet and most of what you think is socialist medicine is not socialist medicine at all. Socialist medicine is if the GOVERNMENT controls the means of production...and almost ALL of Europe is NOT controlling the means, capitalist companies are and the people are being TAXED to give money to CAPITALIST companies to become even more rich and powerful.

Much like Obamacare. Its a lie to get socialists to be forced capitalists thinking they are getting something for free or cheap.

And derp ditty day to those suckers being happy with that and tricked by it...one of the biggest lies of the 20th century.

Health care has insurance providers. It's similar to an abatement company also performing the inspection or insider trading

 

[Lubaolong]

What health field are you in?

Physician.

 

[ultramanhyata]

Physician.

MD or DO?

 

[MicroBrew]

Leftists are wrong. Healthcare is not a right.

Why do you think this?
As a 'Christian' shouldn't you be for universal H.C. , because it helps the poor and downtrodden most.

 

[MicroBrew]

Great point. I know that in Japan for example, you can finish your bachelors and med school in just 5 years total at $5K per year.

My mom was telling me of the son of a relative who went to some med school somewhere in the Caribbean cause it was cheaper and didn't take as long. After getting his degree he returned to the US .

 

[superpunch]

My mom was telling me of the son of a relative who went to some med school somewhere in the Caribbean cause it was cheaper and didn't take as long. After getting his degree he returned to the US .

Bachelors degrees outside of the US take 3 years because they don't take useless gen ed classes like communication 101 (lol) and you can start taking your masters degree courses during your bachelors to speed it up. The US college system, like healthcare, seems designed to just be long and expensive.

 

[Ripskater]

Why do you think this?
As a 'Christian' shouldn't you be for universal H.C. , because it helps the poor and downtrodden most.

They already get free healthcare.

 

[MicroBrew]

They already get free healthcare.

How? You referring to Medicaid? Because a lot of people fall through the cracks and don't qualify. Plus many procedures are not covered.

 

[Ripskater]

How? You referring to Medicaid? Because a lot of people fall through the cracks and don't qualify. Plus many procedures are not covered.

Govt taking over healthcare, there's gonna be high taxes and a whole lot of procedures not covered.

That's why you don't want govt paid healthcare.