Economy John Hopkins : US healthcare cost is highest in developed world.

The smartest people in the country are the illegal immigrants that go to the hospital and get fixed for free. We deserve to get extorted the way we do.
3/10 you can do better than that.
 
How about the high cost of medical education that is free or largely subsidized in these other countries, the numerous years of low-income post-graduate training, the risks unique to practicing medicine in the US, and the growing cost of clinical practice?
So make education free for all or heavily subsidized like the UK.
 
this is like knowing that Jon Jones is on the juice and still watching his fights. Not much can be done about it, so ride the wave
 
Much like Obamacare. Its a lie to get socialists to be forced capitalists thinking they are getting something for free or cheap.

And derp ditty day to those suckers being happy with that and tricked by it...one of the biggest lies of the 20th century.

Dafuk are you even talking about? No one in western europe thinks they are getting their healthcare for free. People are very aware that it is mainly tax funded. It´s certainly not something used to "trick socialists".
Healthcare is one of the few things the left and right pretty much agree on in western europe. There isn´t a single party (left or right) that would try to go the free market/privatized with insurance middlemen/unregulated route that you suggest. And you certainly won´t hear anyone saying "hey let´s get the US model". We already have P4P (penny 4 penny?) the best healthcare.

Biggest lies of the 20th? lol. That would be trickle down economics.
 
Idea what their political leanings were? I am interested in knowing where this idea came from as it makes no sense.

Few in this thread.

It really has become a huge cost in the US. I saw a graph that summarized the public and private spending on healthcare per capita in a lot of various nations, and the US were actually the highest in both public and private spending. So despite people in the US having to have private health insurance the government still has to pay more than other countries.

It's weird how far things have gotten out of control as it's in competition with countries that really are expensive to live in, like Switzerland.

Edit: Figured I might as well find the image to post. I was apparently mistaken on the public costs as well, the US is #2 behind Norway. These are a bit old stats, so the difference might be larger, but it's just a nice visual aid.
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Norway government kicks in more than the American but consumers kick in about a quarter as much.
 
Norway government kicks in more than the American but consumers kick in about a quarter as much.

Yes, that's the general point, but I had to correct myself as I said that the US were #1 in both public and private spending before the edit.

It's important to be correct, and you don't want to be one of the pathetic people that are afraid of being wrong. The War Room frequently shows that with great clarity.
 
I know I never would have gone into medicine if it only paid around $100-150k. No way would it be worth it.
Obviously you’re greedy and ruining America
Shit nurses making 60 only Wipe asses right? Nothing important they do. The fact family practice only pays 150-175 is why I didn’t go through with it since that’s all i was interested in doing. That and the fact that the old mode of having your independent office is basically dead
 
How about the high cost of medical education that is free or largely subsidized in these other countries, the numerous years of low-income post-graduate training, the risks unique to practicing medicine in the US, and the growing cost of clinical practice?
That's easy enough to resolve. Simply make medicine a 4 year post-high school program, like it is in those countries. Then your budding physician only has 4 years of education debt, not 8.
 
That's easy enough to resolve. Simply make medicine a 4 year post-high school program, like it is in those countries. Then your budding physician only has 4 years of education debt, not 8.

What countries are you talking about?

Denmark has 6 years basic education, then 2x6 months months clinical basic education. Then you can work for max 4 years before starting a specialty (if so desired) that requires additional years of education.
 
What countries are you talking about?

Denmark has 6 years basic education, then 2x6 months months clinical basic education. Then you can work for max 4 years before starting a specialty (if so desired) that requires additional years of education.
I should have written that better. I meant make it a post-high school program like other countries and do it in 4 years, not that other countries do it in 4 years.
 
Of course they are a distraction. That's why he is bringing them up

I'm trying to cause a distraction by asking a legit question?

Seriously?
 
So don't be poor, got it.
 
I should have written that better. I meant make it a post-high school program like other countries and do it in 4 years, not that other countries do it in 4 years.

I think that rushing medical school in 4 years wouldn´t produce very good doctors.
 
I think that rushing medical school in 4 years wouldn´t produce very good doctors.

I don't think it's rushing it at all. Medical school is already only 4 years. It's the undergraduate component that would be axed. Consolidate the prereqs into 1.5 years. Move one year of the clinical years into the residencies and the subspecialties.
 
I don't think it's rushing it at all. Medical school is already only 4 years. It's the undergraduate component that would be axed. Consolidate the prereqs into 1.5 years. Move one year of the clinical years into the residencies and the subspecialties.

Physiotherapy used to be a 4 year program up here in canada like what you are suggesting, having 22 and 23 year old immature ignorant physios is why they changed it to a masters and phd program. They got way better students and practitioners out of it. I have to agree with the poster above in this regard.

There are many ways to improve the education aspects (all), but cutting that portion out tends to produce weaker and less driven practitioners. Considering being a doctor is harder than physio, compound that into the equation also.

Side note: med school tuition is 20 to 25k a year in canada. In the us it is around 250k over 4 years (quick google).
 
You have to wonder then why competition hasn't lowered the cost.

What would you pay to save your own or a loved one's life? What would you pay to end your own or a loved one's intense physical pain and suffering?

The answer to those questions is why allowing the medical profession to establish price points according to market principles is the virtual equivalent of allowing kidnappers to make ransom demands.
 
Leftists are wrong. Healthcare is not a right.
 
I know I never would have gone into medicine if it only paid around $100-150k. No way would it be worth it.

Not sure how you are defining "into medicine". The average RN, NP and PA all make less than 150K. Even the average physician salary is under 200K.
 
How about the high cost of medical education that is free or largely subsidized in these other countries, the numerous years of low-income post-graduate training, the risks unique to practicing medicine in the US, and the growing cost of clinical practice?
Great point. I know that in Japan for example, you can finish your bachelors and med school in just 5 years total at $5K per year.
 
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