International John Bolton torpedoed the Trump/Kim Hanoi summit

Ugh. Fucking Bolton.

The sad part is Trump's negotiation style works perfectly on Kim. His sleazy, butter you up slick sales man style plays tight into Kim's egotism and they probably did get along.
 
This isn't a new issue nor is it Trump or Boloton's fault.
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NK will disarm because a country who wants to invade demands it?


You have to be a fucking retard to believe that.

Please explain why we want to invade North Korea? You'd have to be retarded to think we want to invade North Korea for any other reason than them having nuclear weapons.
 
Bolton wants to take a hardline against North Korea, he wants to approach them in the same manner as how the West dealt with Ghaddafi, and has stated this. In 2018 North Korea already rejected similar demands made by Bolton.

A reason or the main reason for the Kim/Trump summit in Thailand collapsing is only now being revealed. Trump handed Kim a piece of paper telling him to hand over all nuclear material to the US and dismantle chemical and biological weapons. The North Koreans took this as an affront and insulting. This is Bolton's thinking that Trump is following.

The document’s existence was first mentioned by White House national security adviser John Bolton in television interviews he gave after the two-day summit. Bolton did not disclose in those interviews the pivotal U.S. expectation contained in the document that North Korea should transfer its nuclear weapons and fissile material to the United States.

The document appeared to represent Bolton’s long-held and hardline “Libya model” of denuclearization that North Korea has rejected repeatedly. It probably would have been seen by Kim as insulting and provocative, analysts said.

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Jenny Town, a North Korea expert at the Washington-based Stimson Center think tank, said the content of the U.S. document was not surprising.

“This is what Bolton wanted from the beginning and it clearly wasn’t going to work,” Town said. “If the U.S. was really serious about negotiations they would have learned already that this wasn’t an approach they could take.”

Town added, “It’s already been rejected more than once, and to keep bringing it up ... would be rather insulting. It’s a non-starter and reflects absolutely no learning curve in the process.”



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...im-to-hand-over-nuclear-weapons-idUSKCN1RA2NR

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So the master negotiator thinks making the same demands , demands that were rejected multiple times, again and again is good negotiating?

I think it is delusional to demand NK get rid of nuclear weapons. They know how the West deals with countries that can't fight back. So as long as Bolton keeps advising Trump, this whole Trump-Kim summit and deal is just theater for the gullible , because nothing will come out of it.

Haven't we tried "the strong arm" approach for over 60 years or so and it hasn't gotten us anywhere yet NK now has nukes???

If we attack, millions of South Koreans will die.

That's just not worth the cost of strong arming.
 
Please explain why we want to invade North Korea? You'd have to be retarded to think we want to invade North Korea for any other reason than them having nuclear weapons.


Because John Bolton is involved.
 
Haven't we tried "the strong arm" approach for over 60 years or so and it hasn't gotten us anywhere yet NK now has nukes???

If we attack, millions of South Koreans will die.

That's just not worth the cost of strong arming.
I agree. But it appears @lfd0311 thinks Bolton and by extension Trump are right to take a hard line. Demanding NK give up their weapons right off the bat, and referencing Ghaddafi, does not at all seem like negotiating.

There is not a dam thing the US can do about NK's nuclear weapons that doesn't result in hundreds of thousands if not millions dead. Sanctions does nothing, it did nothing against Cuba and did nothing against NK. Sanctions only hurt the common man.
 
I agree. But it appears @lfd0311 thinks Bolton and by extension Trump are right to take a hard line. Demanding NK give up their weapons right off the bat, and referencing Ghaddafi, does not at all seem like negotiating.

There is not a dam thing the US can do about NK's nuclear weapons that doesn't result in hundreds of thousands if not millions dead. Sanctions does nothing, it did nothing against Cuba and did nothing against NK. Sanctions only hurt the common man.

So we took the hardline with North Korea? When exactly did we go to war with North Korea? It's almost like you didn't actually read or understand my post....
 
Haven't we tried "the strong arm" approach for over 60 years or so and it hasn't gotten us anywhere yet NK now has nukes???

If we attack, millions of South Koreans will die.

That's just not worth the cost of strong arming.

No, we haven't been trying the strong arm approach. If that was the case, we'd have gone to war with NK for obtaining nukes.

Secondly, where does this "millions of South Koreans will die" talking point come from? It's objectively laughable.
 
No, we haven't been trying the strong arm approach. If that was the case, we'd have gone to war with NK for obtaining nukes.

Secondly, where does this "millions of South Koreans will die" talking point come from? It's objectively laughable.

Because NK first strike wouldn't be at the US, it would be at SK. Why would you think there wouldn't be mass casualties in a preemptive NK strike on SK?

We've tried segregating and denouncing NK. Not recognizing it's leadership and sanctions. We've showcased military might with training exercises and have talked tough. We've barked about as loud as one country can without biting. And it's had zero effect.

Trump is trying a drastically different approach. He hasn't gotten much further, but I think it has more potential.
 
I don't trust your classification of what degeneracy or nonsensical mean. My wording is clean, you're just a moron. It's cool.

When you don't have a point to make, just try insults! That's how you know you've won.
 
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