"Joe The Plumber" chimes in on the Santa Barbara massacre. Too soon?

[oldshadow]

Easy to say after the fact, but if psychiatrists were able to essentially get the cops to seize someone's guns because they were suspicious of their mental state you and all your 2nd Amendment cronies would be screaming bloody murder about their rights being taken away.

It depends on how it was done. Call the cops and they go to court with the variance and get the court order and then get the guns temporary until the investigation incomplete and all parties have their day in court.

 

[Uchi Mata]

Right, plus the debate has been over the fact that the killer was a serious mental case, yet was allowed to buy guns, the cops came to his house, and they couldn't do anything even though his roommates called the police on him. That's what the debate has been about and I think we all want guns out of the hands of people with mental disorders.

Gun nuts don't, really, because if there is some designation that you can put on people that allows the state to restrict their right to own guns that's seen as a danger to all gun owners, and the beginning of some sort of socialist Obama secret Muslim takeover of America. A lot of the gun people on here argue against restrictions on felons' rights to buy guns, I don't see why this would be any different. So in theory the Wayne LaPierres of F54 support taking guns away from insane people, but any implementation is attacked as taking guns away from law abiding citizens out of fear. It's BS double talk. All they care about is no one taking away their military grade arsenal, externalities in the form of dead kids be damned.

 

[oldshadow]

Gun nuts don't, really, because if there is some designation that you can put on people that allows the state to restrict their right to own guns that's seen as a danger to all gun owners, and the beginning of some sort of socialist Obama secret Muslim takeover of America. A lot of the gun people on here argue against restrictions on felons' rights to buy guns, I don't see why this would be any different. So in theory the Wayne LaPierres of F54 support taking guns away from insane people, but any implementation is attacked as taking guns away from law abiding citizens out of fear. It's BS double talk. All they care about is no one taking away their military grade arsenal, externalities in the form of dead kids be damned.

Yea you need to link this because I don't remember anyone taking this stance.

 

[tdluxon]

I could care less because I'm not a pro-gun person but the people that are could do themselves a favor by getting this guy to shut up... he's really not helping their cause by acting like a huge dick to people whose kids were just murdered.

 

[second sight]

maybe TMZ could follow him around with a microphone so we don't have to pay attention to real news

 

[Uchi Mata]

Yea you need to link this because I don't remember anyone taking this stance.

Which one? Gun rights for felons? Byron Carter was really big on that one. Tell you what: I'll start a thread about taking guns away for reason of mental illness and we'll see what the consensus is on your side of the debate. I may be wrong. I hope so, actually.

 

[oldshadow]

Which one? Gun rights for felons? Byron Carter was really big on that one. Tell you what: I'll start a thread about taking guns away for reason of mental illness and we'll see what the consensus is on your side of the debate. I may be wrong. I hope so, actually.

That would be interesting but like I said taking a gun awAy should require a court order temporary and a trial after to remove them for longer.

 

[tdluxon]

Which one? Gun rights for felons? Byron Carter was really big on that one. Tell you what: I'll start a thread about taking guns away for reason of mental illness and we'll see what the consensus is on your side of the debate. I may be wrong. I hope so, actually.

I was thinking the same thing... If the government started taking away guns from people that possibly have mental illness the pro-gun groups would flip their lids.

They would say that it is a slippery slope and soon the government would be saying everyone is mentally ill and using it as an excuse to take people's guns.

 

[IDL]

I could care less because I'm not a pro-gun person but the people that are could do themselves a favor by getting this guy to shut up... he's really not helping their cause by acting like a huge dick to people whose kids were just murdered.

I think that's the only reason the media is interested in seemingly irrelevant people if they say something they can use. It causes the team dynamics.

OMG he's a conservative and he said what!

It fuels the team dem vs. team rep food fight because one side feels the need to defend and the other to point and blame.

Really it's a dumb game.

 

[Kevin Rudd]

If that quote is real someone needs to punch Joe the plumber in the face really fucking hard. What an insensitive prick.

 

[glennrod]

If that quote is real someone needs to punch Joe the plumber in the face really fucking hard. What an insensitive prick.

Preferably this man

 

[tdluxon]

I think that's the only reason the media is interested in seemingly irrelevant people if they say something they can use. It causes the team dynamics.

OMG he's a conservative and he said what!

It fuels the team dem vs. team rep food fight because one side feels the need to defend and the other to point and blame.

Really it's a dumb game.

True... if he said something reasonable (like sorry about your dead kid) we would have never heard about it because it's not a story.

 

[Bargey]

what a wanker...I heard he was going to be joining the American political system, how did that work out?

I'm sure the Tea Party will embrace him

 

[glennrod]

I'm sure the Tea Party will embrace him

I bet they would do...I think they already had done before actually

 

[HOLA]

Was he forced to join a Plumber's union and pay dues or something? Get a license? Why are his bootstraps all up in a bunch?

And I'm pretty sure your kids being murdered somehow infringes on your rights. As a champion of the constitution, you'd think Joe would be supportive, instead of waiting 10 seconds after the murders to be a gargantuan dickhead.

 

[AgeofEmpires2**]

Truth is listened to the loudest during the moments when nobody wants to hear it. Even louder when everyone likes to believe in the lie, so I say emotions and lies be damned when it disgraces logic.

On a witty note, I'll be waiting for someone who was invited to a soldiers funeral to correct the sermon or family member upon hearing that the soldier died protecting everyone's freedom that ,"The soldier didn't actually die for anyone's freedom but instead died for his willingness to collect a paycheck." It's rude, I certainly don't have the balls to say it, but truth none the less. Does anyone here disagree and honestly believe soldiers are dying for our freedom? I also doubt anyone would agree that constitutional liberties should be eradicated on the account of politicizing the lunacy of a severely sick narcissist.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

It's good that they are attacking the shameful attempts of the left of using this tragedy for political gain. Hit them head on so they can't succeed.

This was a murder rampage not a "shooting rampage".

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

It's pretty telling when hardcore pro-gun guys like Lucas and Heston shy away from a conservative comment

Shy away?

I'm rejecting it.

 

[STRAWBOSS]

Joe the Idiot A-hole.

 

[IGIT]

I only have one question: Should we not be ashamed that anyone ever cares about Joe the Plumber?

He is not an intellectual, a successful politician, a doctor, a scientist or even a populist official.

He is a shady blue collar guy whose words were shamelessly used by a failing McCain campaign.

Why should I care right or wrong about a 3rd rate has-been political pawns' pontifications on firearms?

hello InternetHero,

"Joe the Plumber" is both fair game and you should absolutely care what he says and how he says it...the same reason you should care what Sarah Palin says, or what Cliven Bundy says.

the only reason you know about these people at all is because the GOP, along with the wack jobs at Roger Ailes luftwaffe loony bin, FOXNEWS, elevated them into national figures, revered by the far right and the GOP in general.

therefore, they are relevant. what "Joe the Plumber" says is relevant, if only because he presents a window into the cynical thinking of rightwing opinion makers.

the GOP own the ramifications of making people like Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher national figures, and they enjoyed that ownership with great glee and zest when they could be used to their rhetorical advantage - and they don't get to walk away from him once he (along with Mrs. Palin and Mr. Bundy) reveal themselves to be half-wits.

that's life.

shit, i'll bet more members of the Republican party know who "Joe the Plumber" is than can name their two state senators. the GOP nominee for POTUS, Senator John McCain, flogged his name incessantly from sea to shining sea in his 2008 race with Mr. Obama.

ownership has its privileges, but also its downsides. there is a lesson to be learned here for the GOP; if you don't want to be associated with morons, don't associate with them (much less lionize them).

- IGIT