Joe Rogan just posted this as an explanation why Cyborg vs Rousey hasn't happened yet

And here's Cyborg with the 115lb Champion:

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Doesn't seem like it'd be too difficult here.

Ok, so by this token, if JJ and so close to cyborg, and JJ makes 115, then cyborg should have no problem making 135 to fight the champ, right? That was your point, right?
 
Did you stand next to her after she lost some muscle mass in her quest to make 135? At her current weight with her current amount of muscle mass Cyborg can't cut down to 135. Nobody is claiming she can. What is being claimed, and rightly so, is that she has can lose muscle mass and then will be able to make 135.

She's 5'8 and weighs over 170 pounds with an inordinate amount of muscle. She can lose muscle mass and still be a large woman.

He's 135. Not in any position to be judging anyone's size as hes a literal manlet.
 
She could lose five pounds of the muscle she gained from using steroids and/or male hormones.

Christ, Cyborg apologists are a fucking joke.

No bruh thats impossible, do not speak with common sense. I refuse to listen to that stuff:)
 
I disagree. Until recently, I knew too little about affairs outside the UFC when it comes to WMMA, but with the knowledge that she was fighting at 145 before there really is no good reason she can give to satisfy me for not meeting Cyborg at catchweight or even 145. I never accuse a fighter of ducking but in this case, it seems almost obvious. It's silly too because I think Rousey would submit her.
That was Strikeforce and this is the UFC. Ronda's plan was to get the 135 Strikeforce belt and then fight Cyborg in a super fight at either 140 or 145. Cyborg than got caught for using steroids and was banned. Shortly after the UFC made a 135 division (Cyborg still serving her suspension) and Ronda signed to lead that division. UFC doesn't have a 145 pound division and thus that fight makes no sense for anyone other than Cyborg and the fans. It makes no sense for either the UFC or Ronda to have that fight at any weight other than 135.
 
They just should make this fight happen at 145 pounds.
Who the fuck cares if there isn't a UFC women 145 pounds division.
A UFC 215 pounds division doesn't exist, but that's where Quinton Jackson fought lately.
Same with Rich at Franklinweight (195 pounds).
Plus, Invicta has a 145 pounds division and Invicta is pretty much part of the UFC. So...
Plus (again), Rousey fought at 145 for her first four fights.
So, just make this fucking match at 145 and let's call it a day.
I don't want this to end up like Floyd vs Manny.
 
Frankie isn't exactly the best example of a 155er. He was recognized as being the smallest guy in that division. Even at 145, he's not anywhere close to being "big" for the division. Dude could probably go 135.

With that said, it's a testament to how skilled of a fighter Edgar is. The guys is tough as nails and game as a pitbull.
 
And here's Cyborg with the 115lb Champion:

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Doesn't seem like it'd be too difficult here.

Did they both have a night out on the town? They look hungover as fuck.
 
They just should make this fight happen at 145 pounds.
Who the fuck cares if there isn't a UFC women 145 pounds division.
A UFC 215 pounds division doesn't exist, but that's where Quinton Jackson fought lately.
Same with Rich at Franklinweight (195 pounds).
Plus, Invicta has a 145 pounds division and Invicta is pretty much part of the UFC. So...
Plus (again), Rousey fought at 145 for her first four fights.
So, just make this fucking match at 145 and let's call it a day.
I don't want this to end up like Floyd vs Manny.
It would make sense to do a CW fight if the UFC had a division for Cyborg to fight in (145). They don't have that division and considering the fact that 145 is far more baron than 135 I can certainly see why the UFC has no interest in adding that weight class.
 
He's 135. Not in any position to be judging anyone's size as hes a literal manlet.

Wats funny is that nobody can or has argued against the logic that Robin Black said: Lose some mass and make 135 healthy, its doable and he speaks from experience. All i hear is sheep making excuses
 
Get off the horse meat. 10 lbs gone easy.

In B4 The Ronda Knights of Latter Day Saints claiming Cyborg is big solely owing to her past steroid use, nothing to do with genetics, biology, aging and hardwork.....ooops....too late!

In other news, what is up with the hypocrisy of shining a giant light on Cyborg for using roids and not Ronda for habitually taking pain pills and smoking pot? They say the brain is more powerful than the body and smoking weed and taking pain pills rewires your brain, not the body, gives you training advantages and lowers your threshold to pain. Sure, one can make the argument that the effects of pain pills only lower the threshold while on pain pills and that your threshold lowers during withdrawals/non use...however, go down the road 6 months, 1 year, 2 years after a habitual user has quit and the pendulum has swung back in the favor of a lower threshold, the yo-yo effect.

You simply can't point out the facts that support your claim and ignore facts that contradict it. The fact is, nearly all high level athletes have doped or tampered with their brain's chemistry to optimize performance. Athletes at an Olympic level don't get caught as regularly, because they have the means and resources available to use the latest methods that are one step ahead of the latest testing procedures (see Angel Herdeia). This hypocrisy is akin to sending petty criminals to jail for 20 years letting billion dollar fraud jobs of the hook with a slap on the wrist.

Using Cyborg's use of stanozolol as a reason to prevent the only legitimate challenge that Rousey could ever face in MMA is not rational, and highly hypocritical. In fact, it is nothing more than using for a mentally weak, child-like excuse to protect your subjectively, emotionally fueled idea that Rousey is the best, without needing to prove it (see children's fantasy). And, if she is as good as many purport, there should be no problem with taking a fight at 15 pounds less than her natural weight and competing against someone who was a volleyball player, not a lifelong martial artist, like herself.

Making lofty claims without be willing to prove it, even going to length of avoidance, is what do you call it??....cowardice?.... fraud? Certainly, if a company sold a product and claimed it could do one thing, knowing full well that it could not, or had no will to perform said task, the company would be sued and would go bankrupt. Has the air brushing and the Hollywood facade influenced us so greatly that we have let go of our sense of fairness and truth? Is this facade and our personal emotions important enough to us that we are willing to piss on the foundation of martial arts and the very thing that has made MMA great and turned boxing to shite???
 
They just should make this fight happen at 145 pounds.
Who the fuck cares if there isn't a UFC women 145 pounds division.
A UFC 215 pounds division doesn't exist, but that's where Quinton Jackson fought lately.
Same with Rich at Franklinweight (195 pounds).
Plus, Invicta has a 145 pounds division and Invicta is pretty much part of the UFC. So...
Plus (again), Rousey fought at 145 for her first four fights.
So, just make this fucking match at 145 and let's call it a day.
I don't want this to end up like Floyd vs Manny.

215 pounds would be the HW division and 195 lbs is the LHW division.
 
Who the fuck cares if there isn't a UFC women 145 pounds division.

The UFC.

If Rousey would be defeated it puts WMMA and the whole 135 pound division in jeopardy, as Cyborg is unable to move down.

Of course that's a huge "if". But it's a huge risk too.
 
Why is Gina C cool with Cyborg but Rousey treats her like she is the only athlete to have failed a test? How can people say Cyborg isnt clean when she has been passing the same tests as Rousey?

But the biggest question, how can any wmma fan not want to watch Rousey v Cyborg at 140 in December? They make this fight happen in December and it will hands down be the biggest most talked about MMA match ever. Why would any fan not want this.
 
She's too big to make 135, and that's why Ronda will only fight her at 135 because she knows it can't happen. Cyborg has also been getting random tests throughout her camps and people still say she could lose weight if she got off the juice. She doesn't balloon up with fat like Ronda. She's way lean and can't lose any fat so a catch weight is the only thing possible, but that won't happen.

It already would have happened in SF if cyborg hadn't failed a drug test and been suspended.

Maybe if Cyborg had attempted a cut in the last three years she has been trolling RR we could put this to rest. Instead, Cyborg simply posts nonsense on Twitter. And turns down UFC contract offers of course....

But everything is Ronda's fault....
 
In B4 The Ronda Knights of Latter Day Saints claiming Cyborg is big solely owing to her past steroid use, nothing to do with genetics, biology, aging and hardwork.....ooops....too late!

In other news, what is up with the hypocrisy of shining a giant light on Cyborg for using roids and not Ronda for habitually taking pain pills and smoking pot? They say the brain is more powerful than the body and smoking weed and taking pain pills rewires your brain, not the body, gives you training advantages and lowers your threshold to pain. Sure, one can make the argument that the effects of pain pills only lower the threshold while on pain pills and that your threshold lowers during withdrawals/non use...however, go down the road 6 months, 1 year, 2 years after a habitual user has quit and the pendulum has swung back in the favor of a lower threshold, the yo-yo effect.

You simply can't point out the facts that support your claim and ignore facts that contradict it. The fact is, nearly all high level athletes have doped or tampered with their brain's chemistry to optimize performance. Athletes at an Olympic level don't get caught as regularly, because they have the means and resources available to use the latest methods that are one step ahead of the latest testing procedures (see Angel Herdeia). This hypocrisy is akin to sending petty criminals to jail for 20 years letting billion dollar fraud jobs of the hook with a slap on the wrist.

Using Cyborg's use of stanozolol as a reason to prevent the only legitimate challenge that Rousey could ever face in MMA is not rational, and highly hypocritical. In fact, it is nothing more than using for a mentally weak, child-like excuse to protect your subjectively, emotionally fueled idea that Rousey is the best, without needing to prove it (see children's fantasy). And, if she is as good as many purport, there should be no problem with taking a fight at 15 pounds less than her natural weight and competing against someone who was a volleyball player, not a lifelong martial artist, like herself.

Making lofty claims without be willing to prove it, even going to length of avoidance, is what do you call it??....cowardice?.... fraud? Certainly, if a company sold a product and claimed it could do one thing, knowing full well that it could not, or had no will to perform said task, the company would be sued and would go bankrupt. Has the air brushing and the Hollywood facade influenced us so greatly that we have let go of our sense of fairness and truth? Is this facade and our personal emotions important enough to us that we are willing to piss on the foundation of martial arts and the very thing that has made MMA great and turned boxing to shite???
So smoking weed and taking pain pills is the same as using steroids? Okay.....
 
Why is Gina C cool with Cyborg but Rousey treats her like she is the only athlete to have failed a test? How can people say Cyborg isnt clean when she has been passing the same tests as Rousey?

But the biggest question, how can any wmma fan not want to watch Rousey v Cyborg at 140 in December? They make this fight happen in December and it will hands down be the biggest most talked about MMA match ever. Why would any fan not want this.
Most of us want to see the fight and wouldn't care what weight it happens at. That being said I am trying to be a realist here and the reality is that the UFC has no reason right now to make this fight happen at any weight other than 135. That is the reality of the situation regardless how much you, me or anyone else would like to see the fight.
 
That's 3 days after a fight, most fighters gain more weight after a week. My guess is Cyborg probably hits 180 pounds a week after a fight and still wants to fight at BW. Where is the logic in that?

there is none shes too heavy naturally whether its chemistry or supplements/muscle either way i doubt her making 135 and if she does she will be so drained she would not last a round before gassing
 
Dana and Lorenzo's world would completely crumble if Ronda lost to Cyborg, its understandable why they'd put up as many road blocks as possible.

To me, a good compromise would be to make a 145lbs division, and let Cyborg be the champ of that division. That way no one has to lose and they can make money from both fighters defending their belts with Superfights as a possibility as well.
 
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