***Joe Rogan I know you're there! I'm calling you out right now!!! ***

[OliverAtom]

Joe is talking about these martial arts as systems, and as systems they are bottom of the barrel, and barely existent in MMA. When you see a so-called Karate, or TKD guys doing well in striking it's because they are performing standard kickboxing tactics, which have always been relevant.

TKD, and Karate as stand alone systems are pretty useless, and that has been proven time, and time again.

Look, it was cool that your parents enrolled you in a Karate, or TKD class because you wanted to be a Ninja Turtle. It's better than eating Cheetos, and watching cartoons, but neither of these arts alone will make you a competent striker. There have been few successful adherents of either art in MMA, and that's pretty significant, considering the prevalence of Karate, and TKD schools across the globe.

We already know what the favored styles are in MMA, and we've known that for quite some time. Karate, and TKD are not it. You're better off joining a kickboxing, or boxing class.

This is pretty retarded. Standalone kickboxing or boxing does not work in mma either. A grappler will simply take you down and pound you out. Standalone wrestling does not work either. There is no punching in wrestling. You can barely even get hurt. Tired yes. Wrestling isn't even fighting. In fact BJJ and to a lesser extent Judo are probably the only styles that could work as 'standalone' in a low low level amateur mma fight but not in the big leagues.

 

[MarloStanfield]

fail

 

[HelloJapan]

Rex Kwon What?

 

[cut cut]

TS you have no idea!

 

[itheuser]

"This is pretty retarded. Standalone kickboxing or boxing does not work in mma either. A grappler will simply take you down and pound you out. Standalone wrestling does not work either. There is no punching in wrestling. You can barely even get hurt. Tired yes. Wrestling isn't even fighting. In fact BJJ and to a lesser extent Judo are probably the only styles that could work as 'standalone' in a low low level amateur mma fight but not in the big leagues"

Actually, in reality, the only system that tends to work from beginning to end as a strategy is BJJ. Wrestling is a narrow aspect of the overall grappling game. Kickboxing comes and goes, and boxing is only relevant in a limit type of striking engagement. A few kicks and take-downs does not make a system of combat. MMA is based around BJJ, with pieces of other arts added on. However, BJJ is the most thorough combat system, displayed in MMA. So, you're only right in a very narrow sense.

 

[jeff7b9]

More misguided Rogan hate.

All he is saying is that most TMAs (if not all) will not work as a standalone skill set in an MMA/NHB/street fight.

He has watched MMA evolve literally front row from the early days an he himself went thru a similar evolution, starting with TKD, then kickboxing, BJJ etc, anyone saying or even implying that he doesn't know what he is talking about is a fool.

People freak out about individual statements the man makes.... Well the guy has been commentating MMA fights for 20 years, often spending 6+ hours straight on the mic, he has probably spent over a thousand hours on air talking about MMA. Then when he says one thing (regardless of the context of what he was talking about or the situation) people freak out.

It is pretty weird. Why so much hate?

 

[jeff7b9]

Actually, in reality, the only system that tends to work from beginning to end as a strategy is BJJ. Wrestling is a narrow aspect of the overall grappling game. Kickboxing comes and goes, and boxing is only relevant in a limit type of striking engagement. A few kicks and take-downs does not make a system of combat. MMA is based around BJJ, with pieces of other arts added on. However, BJJ is the most thorough combat system, displayed in MMA. So, you're only right in a very narrow sense.

Until you face someone you can't take down...

 

[itheuser]

Until you face someone you can't take down...

Well, they would be failing at their style. BJJ is just the software. The fighter is the hardware. The hardware has to work if the software is to matter.

 

[submiturass]

i miss Kung Fu theater on Saturdays

 

[Which Doctor]

More misguided Rogan hate.

All he is saying is that most TMAs (if not all) will not work as a standalone skill set in an MMA/NHB/street fight.

He has watched MMA evolve literally front row from the early days an he himself went thru a similar evolution, starting with TKD, then kickboxing, BJJ etc, anyone saying or even implying that he doesn't know what he is talking about is a fool.

People freak out about individual statements the man makes.... Well the guy has been commentating MMA fights for 20 years, often spending 6+ hours straight on the mic, he has probably spent over a thousand hours on air talking about MMA. Then when he says one thing (regardless of the context of what he was talking about or the situation) people freak out.

It is pretty weird. Why so much hate?

 

[hoyle1911]

You're not even mad at Joe Rogan in 2016. You're mad at some slice of him back in 2010 or something. He evolves over time, like a human being, and shit.

He said he was a championship TKD and got taken the fuck down by a BJJ school. After receiving a clinic, he realized how useless his striking was in a real fight. Same thing when he tried to spar a boxer. No hands or head movement; he was only used to throwing kicks.

When he learned more nuances about takedown defense and having a strong guard (Eddie Bravo), then he circled back to saying the best strikers like Aldo, Machida, Anderson, Pettis, etc, are able to land in MMA because they practice their grappling to keep things upright.

In the full context of his evolution, it makes sense. TKD, then BJJ, then some boxing. He currently says some aspects of TMA are applicable in MMA, but most needs to be thrown out. In other words, the same shit Bruce Lee was saying fifty years ago.

It took decades of mixed fighting to figure it out, but turns out Bruce was right all along.

 

[josp1]

Is this a troll job, or TS just stupid? Joe Rogan was a black belt in TKD who won various tournaments when he was younger. His bias for TKD becomes ridiculously apparent whenever someone throws a pretty kick.

I believe he was a national tkd champion

 

[josp1]

I have analysed Bruce Lee and even though he doesn't use "Kung Fu" he incorporated stuff from Kung Fu, Judo, Boxing, etc. The way Anderson SIlva and Conor Mcgregor fights is actually very similar to Bruce Lee. Bruce was years ahead of his time, he talks about movement (moving like water), and he talked about how the stance he prefers is similar to what you see when Conor knocked out Aldo, Wonderboy using vs Hendricks and the Jab Anderson Silva knocked down Okami with.

Joe Rogan and many shertards here don't believe Bruce Lee's techniques and philosophies but as mma is evolving we are finally seeing more and more similarities in the best strikers in mma and Bruce Lee.

Conor Mcgregor as well as Anderson Silva have both talked about admiring and using techniques and fighting like Bruce Lee because they know.

You mean that old actor - Bruce lee?

 

[TheProteus]

Clueless Rogan haters at it again.

Rogan said TIME AND TIME AGAIN that there are many good things about Taekwondo, and many times did he sound optymistic about the resurgence of traditional striking techniques in MMA.

He was mainly criticising TMA in their enclosed, dogmative versions.

 

[Lemmy]

This is pretty retarded. Standalone kickboxing or boxing does not work in mma either. A grappler will simply take you down and pound you out. Standalone wrestling does not work either. There is no punching in wrestling. You can barely even get hurt. Tired yes. Wrestling isn't even fighting. In fact BJJ and to a lesser extent Judo are probably the only styles that could work as 'standalone' in a low low level amateur mma fight but not in the big leagues.

as 'standalone' tma traditional jiu jitsu'd be the best, by this logic.
tjj incorporates striking (+ armed combat), stand up wrestling (judo) and ground fight (bjj).

 

[PivotPunch]

You haven't watched his podcasts where he constantly talks shit about Tae Kwon Do and dismissing it being effective and how it was a mistake he made when he was younger and how he regrets learning it.

Taekwondo on it's own is ineffective compared to kickboxing/MT. He always goes on rants about fancy kicking techniques and has orgasms for anyone who throws spinning kicks it's about implementing techniques and strengths from styles like TKD but if you go to a normal TKD school then you won't beat Johnny Hendricks. Thompson trains kickboxing to the extent that he needs he doesn't simply do TKD and suddenly knows how to defend headpunches or move his hea dand whatever he trains kickboxing as well