Joe Rogan & Ben Askren explain the solution to all weight cutting problems

Katsumi Yamada said:
If yes, then I agree the intention is good but it's mostly unnecessary....why not simple ban people from weighing in when they are dehydrated? Surely it solves all the main problems and it's extremely simple
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Yeah that makes a lot of those step pointless because you'd have no choice but to fight at YOUR natural weight. Not nearly kill yourself to assure a size advantage. Or if they are similar sized and BOTH cutting then hydration testing gives us healthier athletes more able to perform on fight night...
 
Katsumi Yamada said:
From the latest episode of Joe's MMA show.
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It seems like various athletic commission are coming up with convoluted ways of mitigating the problems and ignoring the most obvious and easiest solution.
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Probably because of the "wasn't invented here" or "not done here" attitude. I don't think testing for specific gravity costs much.
 
Gay

“Just let me cut bro!”
 
If they implemented this some fighters would probably be forced up more than one weight class. For example Gunnar Nelson would likely still fight at 170 but Khabib might be forced all the way up to 185.
 
FlyingDeathKick said:
If they implemented this some fighters would probably be forced up more than one weight class. For example Gunnar Nelson would likely still fight at 170 but Khabib might be forced all the way up to 185.
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I think you are right, and that's OK.
After all, it's the "ultimate fighting Championship" not "the biggest loser".

Example in ONE: Kotetsu Boku, former lightweight champ (under the old rules at 155lb), now fights at featherweight (155lbs under the new rules), because he wasn't cutting much weight if any.
 
Katsumi Yamada said:
I think you are right, and that's OK.
After all, it's the "ultimate fighting Championship" not "the biggest loser".

Example in ONE: Kotetsu Boku, former lightweight champ (under the old rules at 155lb), now fights at featherweight (155lbs under the new rules), because he wasn't cutting much weight if any.
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No face! I remember when ONE FC allowed soccer kicks and scored fights based on damage and basically nothing else. I'm pretty sure the scoring system has changed though which is a shame. I also remember when they were calling Honorio Banario the "Manny Pacquiao of MMA" lol.
 
Athletes find a way to cheat around anything and everything
 
I ended up listening from the bookmark until the end. That was pretty interesting. I don't know much about wrestling, so it was cool to hear Askren talk about it. I always thought he was super cocky, but he came off more as really confident, with a little cockiness, but seemed alright. I'd be in favor of UFC adopting that weigh in system.
 
FlyingDeathKick said:
No face! I remember when ONE FC allowed soccer kicks and scored fights based on damage and basically nothing else. I'm pretty sure the scoring system has changed though which is a shame. I also remember when they were calling Honorio Banario the "Manny Pacquiao of MMA" lol.
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No changes to the scoring system as far as I know. They still score the fights as a whole, and I don't think there was any changes to the criteria...they've always followed very closely to what Pride did.
In over 60+ events I can't remember too many controversial scores (granted I don't watch it religiously).

They banned soccer kicks sadly but knees are still allowed anywhere
 
Kraysla said:
I ended up listening from the bookmark until the end. That was pretty interesting. I don't know much about wrestling, so it was cool to hear Askren talk about it. I always thought he was super cocky, but he came off more as really confident, with a little cockiness, but seemed alright. I'd be in favor of UFC adopting that weigh in system.
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Seems like a smart guy, and I like his approach of training which seems ljke valuing skill, technique, and strategy over diet, strength and conditioning and sparring etc
 
One fc did not do shit until someone (yang jian bing) literrally croaked on their shit show.
 
Katsumi Yamada said:
From the latest episode of Joe's MMA show.

Ben Askren explains the weigh in system used in ONE Championship (where Askren fought the later part of his career) and how it has successfully eliminated weight cutting, and the associated health risks.

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For those who aren't able to watch the video; Ben explains the weigh in system at ONE which I summarised in the following spoiler
whereby
fighters take a specific gravity urine test, which is immediately weighed, showing whether or not the fighter is hydrated within seconds.

If the fighter is hydrated, he can proceed to step on the scales and weigh in.

If the fighter is not hydrated, he must drink water until he can produce a satisfactory sample and then weigh in.
If he is overweight, he gets fined.
Note that you can be ON WEIGHT, but if you are not hydrated you can't officially weigh in at all.
They can weigh in at any point in the 2 days leading up to the fight.

Both guys agreed that this is the solution for eliminating the dangerous and pointless process of weight cutting.

So what do you guys think? Why aren't UFC implementing this?

The only downside would be that many (the majority) of the fighters would have to change division causing some casual fans to get a bit confused. However they'd still be competing against most of the same guys as they are with the current system.

It seems like various athletic commission are coming up with convoluted ways of mitigating the problems and ignoring the most obvious and easiest solution.
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Wow.........Great Intelligent discussion. I loved it. Great Post.... The UFC needs to follow Rich Franklins NO WEIGHT CUTTING system. Ben Askren is No Ones Fool. Smart Man.
 
This is a really good solution, but it's doubtful they'd make such a drastic change before someone dies. An argument for UFC (and many other orgs) not showcasing a sport.

It's seldom preemptive rules are made, like in Junior Kickboxing or amateur wrestling for dangerous moves and weight cuts, since those preemptive rules are made for the safety of kids. With adult competition there sadly usually has to first be backlash from a tragedy for a change.
 
Katsumi Yamada said:
It will be more dense, because there are more particles in there per ounce.
That's also why it's darker colour.

Gravity is the same everywhere in earth.

If you rewind the video to about 10 minutes before, they do discuss the moon landings though and how badly they faked the low gravity.
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tha last paragraph is why I have reservations about that weightcut solution, sounds great but seing who it comes from (JR & askren explanation, not ONE FC) I don't trust it thta much. thye must have forgotten some basic scientific aspect)
 
I like it, but how easily can this be manipulated?

If the UFC implements this we're probably still gonna see dudes looking like Matthew Mcconaughey in Dallas Buyers Club who've somehow still passed the test.
 
Katsumi Yamada said:
To be honest I suspect this is the main reason.

UFC could implement this in-house though?
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Face it. If the UFC implemented this system, ALL athletic commissions would hop on board instantly.

Overall it would be better for the sport. Fighters would come in not having a size advantage by cutting so much weight. Wrestlers especially, as they've been doing it for years and are used to it. Another advantage would be better chins and possibly less brain damage. Even when a fighter hydrates for 24 hours after weigh ins the brain still hasn't fully recovered and is not hydrated fully. Causing the brain to roll around taking more damage. We've seen fighters have better chins once moving up in weight class.

So many reasons that are a positive in stopping weight cutting. From fighter safety to better cardio and better fights. The UFC not doing this because " it may confuse things" is silly. Within a year, fans will be adjusted and forget about the previous stupidity
 
Can’t see a real downside to this but see lots of positives, safer, fair and guys performing at there best (not depleted from the weight cut).

Bring it on
 
I don’t see why the ufc don’t introduce this. You can bill your fighters as heavier and eliminate much of the “lel manlets” bias.

Plus they come into the cage in better condition so look more impressive.
 
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