Joe Biden as President - Affordable Health Care?

kpt018 said:
Most people aren't medical doctors and even if they were they still would need specialists.

I really don't get this bootstraps bullshit. We all rely on the system to get medical care, so we should make it better.
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They never addressed costs. The costs of health is where Obama should have started. He just threw everyone onto a shitty system and made it worse.
 
sickc0d3r said:
I’ve thought all along I’ll take the Senate over the White House. If things go the way it seems, it will be gridlock and finger pointing for the next two years. Still an improvement because of environment EO’s, foreign relations, basic decency, fewer lies, the end of 3am twitter tirades, etc.
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10mm said:
They never addressed costs. The costs of health is where Obama should have started. He just threw everyone onto a shitty system and made it worse.
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The ACA helped stabilize costs. But without price controls were not going to ever do it.

I’m not arguing the aca was perfect just that we all rely on a system, so the “do it yourself” stuff is nonsense.
 
The Big Bang said:
Obama failed because Republicans drastically altered HIS plan.

Anyway, Joe Biden will have a plan, which is good. Having something rather than nothing is good.

If Trump wins, (he's not) well..............there is nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo plan.

He keeps saying over and over and over that he has a plan..............but there is no plan. He just HATES Obama SO much that he wants to wipe away Obama Care WITHOUT a backup plan........................

In Trumps 60 Mins interview he handed over a BIG book of NOTHING.

FUCK not having a plan.
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Insurance companies helped write the ACA with Democrats. Then they lobbied Republicans to add amendments to make it more favorable for them.

It fails because the only way to have a cheaper plan is to address the outrages costs of the healthcare providers (ie hospitals) and/or to eliminate the for profit insurance industry.
 
chardog said:
other than to get his family filthy rich
and beat trump

I see his major plans on his campaign site https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/
1. Beat Covid-19..... well a vaccine will do that, I imagine.
2. Economic Recovery..... Ok, point 1.
3. Affordable Health Care for all......

I want to focus on #3

are we going to be scammed once again? ACA was a disaster and we still pay globs of money to the insurance industry. Can I hold Joe's feet to the fire for this? Obama failed bigly when it came to this, someone convince me why Joe will be any different.

*please avoid election talk*

*for the sake of argument, act like Joe won, I would like a constructive presidency regardless of R or D*
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Yes. We would be scammed. Biden provide a a public option that is not very comprehensive, while the most wealthy and powerful have access to good coverage. That is what Socialism looks like.
 
kpt018 said:
Most people aren't medical doctors and even if they were they still would need specialists.

I really don't get this bootstraps bullshit. We all rely on the system to get medical care, so we should make it better.
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No one is saying you have to be a doctor or specialist.

What I mean is you can't rely on the government to just hand you medical insurance/care unless you qualify for medicare. You have to position yourself in life, through making good choices and get it yourself. ie learn a valuable skill and/or get educated in a valuable field, get a job with a good company or government position, get that good medical insurance etc..... In America, today and for the long foreseeable future, that is the pretty much the only way to get it.

You can sit on your ass, do nothing, and just hope the government gives it to you, but that isn't going to happen any time soon.

I guess you could do nothing, be destitute and poor, and qualify for medicaid, but who really wants to live that life.

It just amazes me how many fully capable and able bodied people, would rather do nothing, and sit on their asses waiting for the government to come to their rescue.

You have to live in reality, not some hope and dream political lie of unicorns and rainbows that is not happening any time soon, if ever.
 
Biden at best will restore it and maybe add a little in what will ultimately still be a right-wing half measure instead of UHC like the rest of the developed world. Sadly, that's an improvement of where healthcare is presently at.
Headkicktoleg said:
The best thing to do is open insurance markets nationally. People always point to single payer because it expands the insurance pool...well so would making it national instead of state. See where that takes us then go from there. Trying to make drastic changes to something as big as healthcare is like quickly turning the wheel on a semi going down the highway.
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No it isn't. UHC is proven. Some things should not be commodified, healthcare is one of them. UHC is tried and true.
 
Do you remember who came up with the idea to smear Sanders as a Castro-loving commie? The Democrats. They are not your friends if you're on the left. There is no left in this country.
If past is prolog - obama had a backroom meeting with the hospital, insurance and phama lobbies and guaranteed that single payer would not survive the legislation process; even while he was campaigning that he would fight to make sure it was included. Made you buy a fauty product from a private company and insuance stocks skyrocketed.

The f#%king democrats did that. Biden's already said no SP while he was running. I expect more of the same capitulation to Wall Street at all levels including HC and screwing the public.

You may have voted for Biden - but you didnt pay for him.
 
I saw President Trump made some recent changes to address high health care costs. I suspect this could be greatly helpful at driving down health care prices.

President Trump does have health-reform plan — and it’s already driving down costs

https://nypost.com/2020/10/30/presi...form-plan-and-its-already-driving-down-costs/

excerpt:

On Thursday, President Trump finalized his health-insurance price-transparency rule. Count on it to revolutionize American health care.

The order requires health insurers to publish their real prices and cost-sharing information in advance so health-care consumers can easily shop for the best quality care and coverage at the lowest possible price. From MRIs to colonoscopies to prescription drugs, Americans will now be in charge of their health decisions and savings.

Combined with his already finalized hospital price-transparency rule, this will unleash a competitive, functional marketplace based on free-market principles to drive down costs. The savings to individuals, families, and businesses through consumer empowerment will deliver a substantial economic stimulus now and for generations to come.

Democrats and the mainstream media claim Trump has no health-care plan. This perspective has always been more party-line rhetoric than reality. Trump’s hospital price-transparency rule, which requires providers to post their discounted cash prices and secret negotiated rates, takes effect in the new year.

And last month, Trump issued a billing-transparency order, requiring hospitals to reveal their widespread unethical billing practices, including garnishing patient paychecks, placing liens on their homes and filing lawsuits against them.

Taken together, these three price-transparency rules will create systemwide transparency that will significantly reduce rampant health-care waste, middle players and price-gouging. All Americans will benefit from lower health-care and coverage prices, higher wages and a more productive economy.

Kudos to Health Secretary Alex Azar for his leadership in getting this rule over the finish line.

SEE ALSO
11 things Trump has done to fix Obamacare
Armed with real prices, patients and employers (who provide health coverage for about 180 million Americans) will be put in the driver’s seat of their health-care decisions. No longer will they be at the mercy of the pricing whims of the health-care industry, blinded to prices until after their bills arrive in the mail weeks and months after treatment.

Hospitals and health-insurers’ pricing power, which is almost absolute under the current opaque model, will collapse as upfront cost information empowers patients with the same financial certainty, discretion and choice that consumers enjoy in every other economic sector.

No wonder price transparency is supported by an overwhelming bipartisan majority — of about 90 percent of Americans, including 98 percent of women under 40......
 
deviake said:
Biden at best will restore it and maybe add a little in what will ultimately still be a right-wing half measure instead of UHC like the rest of the developed world. Sadly, that's an improvement of where healthcare is presently at.

No it isn't. UHC is proven. Some things should not be commodified, healthcare is one of them. UHC is tried and true.
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Not on country this size where 1/2 the people don't pay federal taxes
 
All I know is people complain about our military spending. Which is 3.5% of GDP, which is almost a historic low. With the rise of near peers around the globe, we're going to have to double that to make near historic norms soon.

The real problem is we spend way too much on healthcare. We need to cut our healthcare spending in half. At this point, it's a national security issue because that's money that should be going into our military.
 
Headkicktoleg said:
Lol Biden doesn't give a fuck about black people after they have voted
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The level of naivety of some of these posters ...

I want Trump to win (and it’s not over yet), but one good thing about Biden winning is that at least that stupid “platinum plan” won’t be happening.
 
Headkicktoleg said:
Lol Biden doesn't give a fuck about black people after they have voted
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CNNs Don Lemon will be back to the news he was spouting during Obama's era in no time.

Which involved condemning gangsta rap as a toxic influence that enables reprehensible behavior and telling black folks not to be absent fathers because "the stats show, thats an express train righ tto prison for your kids".

Its actually comical how hard CNN flip flopped from calling out this behavior and telling them to trust the system and behave or they create bad situations for themselves to "its all the system's fault. Go protest" as soon as Republicans were in power.
 
The USA has way too many non contributors, and Americans abuse “free” like no others, to ever make UHC a viable option in the USA.
 
kpt018 said:
The ACA helped stabilize costs. But without price controls were not going to ever do it.

I’m not arguing the aca was perfect just that we all rely on a system, so the “do it yourself” stuff is nonsense.
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it stabilized costs at the highest expenditure it's ever been

it's like having five guys raping your wife, and you put your foot down and stop the sixth guy. Total win.

Bush destroyed health care, obama made it worse, Trump kept it the same: https://www.statista.com/statistics/184968/us-health-expenditure-as-percent-of-gdp-since-1960/

facts only
 
High Altitude said:
The USA has way too many non contributors, and Americans abuse “free” like no others, to ever make UHC a viable option in the USA.
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our health care expenditure in the 80's and 90's, lower than UHC countries, it's doable, but the insurance industry has bought out our politicians. Until we get a politician that can go YOLO and con the donors, I'm a bit pessimistic that this can happen. They'll have to lie to the public and get "their side" to play ball. Decades in the making. There will always been non contributors, we can get them covered, many other countries do this now.
 
Unless all parties have skin in the game, UHC isn’t going to work in the USA.

We will need some type of program where catastrophic care is covered, but lower type of care will still require people to pay something out of pocket in order to prevent unnecessary over use.

The whole tax the rich so we can give free to everyone isn’t going to work.
 
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