Job applications

[fingercuffs]

Can I ask with anyone here who employs people online why the veteran, disability, race, gender status applies? I'm fine being a non vet white female but does it go against you if you click "rather not say"?

I'm getting nowhere fast in this town employment wise and am pretty much going through the motions applying for jobs knowing nothing will come of it.

 

[llperez22]

pretty sure no one wants to hire a disabled minority with ptsd who goes by they/them. Just my guess though. Good luck!

 

[fingercuffs]

pretty sure no one wants to hire a disabled minority with ptsd who goes by they/them. Just my guess though. Good luck!

So it's just a smokescreen then? I assumed it was but why dress it up?

 

[Goon Dog]

I think the government makes companies track a lot of that info. I've never heard of anyone using it as hiring criteria and assume it's illegal to do so but take that with a grain of salt. Also, some companies are under consent decrees where they are required to hire general or specific minority groups, and others get "credit" for doing so.

 

[I Am Legion]

So it's just a smokescreen then? I assumed it was but why dress it up?

A few reasons. If you are interviewing a "protected" group like disabled or people of color, you have to be more specific in your file if you DON'T hire them. Specific reasons, "Didn't interview well" is not enough because there could be backlash if someone claims discrimination. Veterans are always put high on the hiring list, shows discipline and ethic. Being a woman or a minority actually will "add points" in many companies that lack diversity and get pressure from the government. Any civil job will put women and minorities first (police, fire, etc). The only thing that companies truly avoid, and illegally so, are people that choose "pronouns" like they/them. It is an instant red flag, and most employers see a harassment lawsuit in the future. I have sat in meetings where it is all but stated.

A few suggestions:
Do not use Chat GPT for your resume. They read hundreds of the same resumes. Personalize it. What makes you different?
Choose niche fields if possible.
Fake it until you make it.

 

[fingercuffs]

I think the government makes companies track a lot of that info. I've never heard of anyone using it as hiring criteria and assume it's illegal to do so but take that with a grain of salt. Also, some companies are under consent decrees where they are required to hire general or specific minority groups, and others get "credit" for doing so.

Makes sense. How do they get credit though? Financially?

Again, is it just ticking boxes? I'm not in desperate need thankfully so I'm kind of tempted to click protected disabled black man vet to see what happens.

 

[fingercuffs]

A few reasons. If you are interviewing a "protected" group like disabled or people of color, you have to be more specific in your file if you DON'T hire them. Specific reasons, "Didn't interview well" is not enough because there could be backlash if someone claims discrimination. Veterans are always put high on the hiring list, shows discipline and ethic. Being a woman or a minority actually will "add points" in many companies that lack diversity and get pressure from the government. Any civil job will put women and minorities first (police, fire, etc). The only thing that companies truly avoid, and illegally so, are people that choose "pronouns" like they/them. It is an instant red flag, and most employers see a harassment lawsuit in the future. I have sat in meetings where it is all but stated.

A few suggestions:
Do not use Chat GPT for your resume. They read hundreds of the same resumes. Personalize it. What makes you different?
Choose niche fields if possible.
Fake it until you make it.

My CV is my own, but conversely I went to a job fair recently with an expert for on base hiring and she suggested we use AI. For a small town of 30,000 people our biggest employer is the navy. I'm getting nowhere I think because of my heritage and not being a vet. She said vets always get the cream of the milk...which I'm not going to disagree with.

I also, thinking about it, understand lawsuits waiting to happen. Could be taken to the cleaners. I've been in situations where I could have easily taken my old company to a tribunal and won on gender sexual harassment cases. But didn't want to take everyone down when apart from one it was just general office banter fun.

 

[Goon Dog]

Makes sense. How do they get credit though? Financially?

Again, is it just ticking boxes? I'm not in desperate need thankfully so I'm kind of tempted to click protected disabled black man vet to see what happens.

As an example, years ago I worked for the largest freight company in North America. Some time before that, African American workers in the Chicago area filed racial discrimination lawsuits with the EEOC, who threatened to pull the carrier's contract for hauling $300M/year in military contracted freight if they didn't hire and promote more black managers. As a result many non-black supervisors (myself included) stagnated and eventually moved on to companies with more opportunity.

 

[TheTickG]

Can I ask with anyone here who employs people online why the veteran, disability, race, gender status applies? I'm fine being a non vet white female but does it go against you if you click "rather not say"?

I'm getting nowhere fast in this town employment wise and am pretty much going through the motions applying for jobs knowing nothing will come of it.

Most that I can't answer. But, one of my previous companies targeted females and minorities for hiring depending on the country/team.

 

[fingercuffs]

As an example, years ago I worked for the largest freight company in North America. Some time before that, African American workers in the Chicago area filed racial discrimination lawsuits with the EEOC, who threatened to pull the carrier's contract for hauling $300M/year in military contracted freight if they didn't hire and promote more black managers. As a result many non-black supervisors (myself included) stagnated and eventually moved on to companies with more opportunity.

All makes sense, thanks

 

[Kowboy On Sherdog]

 

[fingercuffs]

Most that I can't answer. But, one of my previous companies targeted females and minorities for hiring depending on the country/team.

Why did they want women minorities and why was it country specific? Which counties are you talking about? Without landing yourself in any hot water of course.

 

[Kowboy On Sherdog]

I really need a job and I'm willing to do anything to work my way up in the company...

 

[Fluffernutter]

Can I ask with anyone here who employs people online why the veteran, disability, race, gender status applies? I'm fine being a non vet white female but does it go against you if you click "rather not say"?

I'm getting nowhere fast in this town employment wise and am pretty much going through the motions applying for jobs knowing nothing will come of it.

This sounds like it should be in the War Room, not Mayberry.

With more and more 23 year olds graduating college with tons of debt, I have a feeling Veterans Preference may become a talking point in an election soon.

 

[Fluffernutter]

My CV is my own, but conversely I went to a job fair recently with an expert for on base hiring and she suggested we use AI. For a small town of 30,000 people our biggest employer is the navy. I'm getting nowhere I think because of my heritage and not being a vet. She said vets always get the cream of the milk...which I'm not going to disagree with.

Why don't you disagree with it?

Do military veterans have a monopoly on service to country?

 

[fingercuffs]

Why don't you disagree with it?

Do military veterans have a monopoly on service to country?

I live in a military town, I grew up in the military, on both sides of my parents everyone was military so I'm not going to get het up about it. They served our country and if they get special preferences I'm not going to complain.
No, they don't have a monopoly but for on base jobs they are considered over non vets.

 

[Darkavius]

I really need a job and I'm willing to do anything to work my way up in the company...

I don't want to side track fingercuffs thread but I am also looking for a part time job and I have questions because job searching is so dumb.

1. Why do we use so many different avenues in America to find jobs? Why can't most, if not all job requests flow through the State Department of Labor? Having this site and that site have different jobs is tedious. I can go through Indeed or the company site or another site. It's too much.
   
   
2. I know this is hard to prove but if a job is posted and there was no intention on hiring anyone and it's just for "data" why is that not illegal? Shouldn't it be under the same level as false advertising?
   
   
3. As a whole can we please stop having to create usernames and passwords to apply for jobs? Also, can we do away with applications unless you actually get the job? In 2025 the resume should have everything someone needs to see previous experience. Yes, I know some resumes are bad but the vast majority of businesses have access to Microsoft Word so why copy and paste resume data into an application when the resume is already there?

 

[lsa]

I really need a job and I'm willing to do anything to work my way up in the company...

"anything"