Joanna Jedrzejczyk wants to train with Ronda Rousey

[Got GOAT]

One works both standing and on the ground and the other doesn't.

One works inside the clinch, in the pocket and on the outside (Judo doesn't). If Judo was > KB/MT then how come we're not seeing the same success with Olympic medalist Judokas in men's MMA? There have been gold medalists that've competed and easily been defeated. Judo works well in WMMA for now because the competition is so far behind, especially in Ronda's division. Once they're caught up, let's see what happens then. Don't expect it to be any different from men's MMA then, where boxing and KB/MT > Judo all day everday. Joanna and Ronda aren't just training their base disciplines anyway. Joanna's sprawl is fantastic and her scrambling is very good.

If Joanna was in Ronda's division she would be an absolute stylistic nightmare for her due to her great TDD and far superior striking. With that striking she has superior range control, something Ronda has never even had to deal with. Once she tries to bull rush her she'll taste Joanna's jab hard at the very least. If Ronda is able to enter into the clinch then Joanna could very well win in there too, after all, an elite level Thai clinch is something Ronda has never faced either.

 

[Got GOAT]

Ronda's judo effectively serves as both her 'wrestling' and 'BJJ' while Joanna's KB/MT serves just as her 'striking'.

Judo serves as offensive and defense wrestling for clinch-based and clinch-range based takedowns mostly, though in Judo they do have double legs and such. Joanna's striking is all that you see? Her clinch game is a part of that as well as the ability to avoid the clinch entirely through footwork and range control, also a part of that 'striking'.

 

[BigMuffler]

One works inside the clinch, in the pocket and on the outside (Judo doesn't). If Judo was > KB/MT then how come we're not seeing the same success with Olympic medalist Judokas in men's MMA? There have been gold medalists that've competed and easily been defeated. Judo works well in WMMA for now because the competition is so far behind, especially in Ronda's division. Once they're caught up, let's see what happens then. Don't expect it to be any different from men's MMA then, where boxing and KB/MT > Judo all day everday. Joanna and Ronda aren't just training their base disciplines anyway. Joanna's sprawl is fantastic and her scrambling is very good.

If Joanna was in Ronda's division she would be an absolute stylistic nightmare for her due to her great TDD and far superior striking. With that striking she has superior range control, something Ronda has never even had to deal with. Once she tries to bull rush her she'll taste Joanna's jab hard at the very least. If Ronda is able to enter into the clinch then Joanna could very well win in there too, after all, an elite level Thai clinch is something Ronda has never faced either.

Most male (and female) judokas aren't as groundwork focused as Ronda, therefore their judo doesn't effectively function as elite wrestling and BJJ combined in MMA. Also male strikers have more natural power that females will never match on average.

'If' Ronda can enter the clinch... Joanna has been clinched before by lesser fighters.

 

[waldywaldy]

One works inside the clinch, in the pocket and on the outside (Judo doesn't). If Judo was > KB/MT then how come we're not seeing the same success with Olympic medalist Judokas in men's MMA? There have been gold medalists that've competed and easily been defeated. Judo works well in WMMA for now because the competition is so far behind, especially in Ronda's division. Once they're caught up, let's see what happens then. Don't expect it to be any different from men's MMA then, where boxing and KB/MT > Judo all day everday. Joanna and Ronda aren't just training their base disciplines anyway. Joanna's sprawl is fantastic and her scrambling is very good.

If Joanna was in Ronda's division she would be an absolute stylistic nightmare for her due to her great TDD and far superior striking. With that striking she has superior range control, something Ronda has never even had to deal with. Once she tries to bull rush her she'll taste Joanna's jab hard at the very least. If Ronda is able to enter into the clinch then Joanna could very well win in there too, after all, an elite level Thai clinch is something Ronda has never faced either.

You can't compare Ronda to other judo practioners in mma. She had a very unusual style when she still competed in judo that's suits mma waaaaaay better than anybody else that ever transitioned.

 

[abs_maniac]

He was wrong. As a result for backing him, so are you.

eh, u need to take context into account. jj's only serious challenger is gadelha. if jj trains with a bigger grappler like RR, she'll probably be able to keep gadelha off herself ez pz come fight time.

 

[slyslickNwicked]

One works inside the clinch, in the pocket and on the outside (Judo doesn't). If Judo was > KB/MT then how come we're not seeing the same success with Olympic medalist Judokas in men's MMA? There have been gold medalists that've competed and easily been defeated. Judo works well in WMMA for now because the competition is so far behind, especially in Ronda's division. Once they're caught up, let's see what happens then. Don't expect it to be any different from men's MMA then, where boxing and KB/MT > Judo all day everday. Joanna and Ronda aren't just training their base disciplines anyway. Joanna's sprawl is fantastic and her scrambling is very good.

If Joanna was in Ronda's division she would be an absolute stylistic nightmare for her due to her great TDD and far superior striking. With that striking she has superior range control, something Ronda has never even had to deal with. Once she tries to bull rush her she'll taste Joanna's jab hard at the very least. If Ronda is able to enter into the clinch then Joanna could very well win in there too, after all, an elite level Thai clinch is something Ronda has never faced either.

Joanna could be a 145er like Budd and still get subbed with ease. Striking is great, but not many people combination the level of strength, speed, technique, size and pressure Ronda puts on her opponents. Joanna would get owned by an identical version of Ronda at SW. Carla, Penne and Ghadela dont even compare to wat Ronda can do in the clinch as well as the best armbar in MMA.

Even if Hypothetically Holms has excellent takedown D against Ronda she still wouldn't win cause Ronda hurts chicks in the clinch and the gotta worry about the trow. Basically they will be fighting defensively and Ronda has added more power lately.

Wat other SW comes close to wat Ronda can do?

 

[slyslickNwicked]

You can't compare Ronda to other judo practioners in mma. She had a very unusual style when she still competed in judo that's suits mma waaaaaay better than anybody else that ever transitioned.

Ronda has stated she worked multiple ways to do Judo, she said her Judo was meant to be like a hybrid. Which might be the reason it works ao well in MMA, from wat i heard a lot of Judokas focus mostly on hand gripping and positioning.

 

[Ragnarocker]

"Yeah, why not? I would like to visit some gyms and train a little bit before I start my camp in Poland. So yeah, why not. I could maybe visit Ronda’s gym and we could train together."

Dunno if this has been posted yet, but this is an incredible idea! They both can really help eachother.

Your title and the source are mistaking what she said (probably on purpose). She didn't come out and say, "I want to train with Ronda Rowdy." Someone asked her if she'd be interested in training with Ronda Rowdy if the opportunity came up and that's why she responded, "sure, why not."

 

[BisexualMMA]

I see both parties benefiting. Maybe Joanna gets more out of it, maybe not. But either way, Ronda probably gets more out of training with Joanna than any other female in the UFC. At least more opportunity to learn. If it's best case for both, doesn't really matter who gains more.

 

[Ragnarocker]

eh, u need to take context into account. jj's only serious challenger is gadelha. if jj trains with a bigger grappler like RR, she'll probably be able to keep gadelha off herself ez pz come fight time.

This girl is a serious challenger to JJ:

 

[Ragnarocker]

I see both parties benefiting. Maybe Joanna gets more out of it, maybe not. But either way, Ronda probably gets more out of training with Joanna than any other female in the UFC. At least more opportunity to learn. If it's best case for both, doesn't really matter who gains more.

Would JJ really be able to teach her anything that Edmond Targaryan hasn't already shown her? Ronda Rowdy may just forever be a poor striker with no knack for the standup game.

 

[BigMuffler]

jj's only serious challenger is gadelha

What do we really know about Moroz's limits?

 

[Got GOAT]

Most male (and female) judokas aren't as groundwork focused as Ronda, therefore their judo doesn't effectively function as elite wrestling and BJJ combined in MMA. Also male strikers have more natural power that females will never match on average.

'If' Ronda can enter the clinch... Joanna has been clinched before by lesser fighters.

Joanna can win the fight at all ranges on the feet, can Ronda? No. Ronda HAS to close the gap and get the takedown. She's not outstriking Joanna so that's not even an option. If Joanna wanted to keep Rousey away at all costs she has the tools to do that already, the footwork, mobility/lateral movement and range control along with her jab and other weapons. What you're telling me isn't anything new, in fact, Kodokan Judo and Kosen Judo have different focuses and those are just two versions of Judo, the same core martial art. Kosen focuses on that groundwork.

None of Ronda's opponents have been capable of doing to Ronda what's necessary to beat her. Go read some breakdowns if you don't believe me, Jack Slack just did a good one that had all of you Rousey fans upset over what he outlined. What he outlined is what Joanna has already.

 

[BigMuffler]

She's not outstriking Joanna so that's not even an option.

With the takedown threat added in, it wouldn't be shocking for her to be able to land a big punch and hurt her really.

You seem quite striking biased though.

 

[Got GOAT]

Joanna could be a 145er like Budd and still get subbed with ease. Striking is great, but not many people combination the level of strength, speed, technique, size and pressure Ronda puts on her opponents. Joanna would get owned by an identical version of Ronda at SW. Carla, Penne and Ghadela dont even compare to wat Ronda can do in the clinch as well as the best armbar in MMA.

Even if Hypothetically Holms has excellent takedown D against Ronda she still wouldn't win cause Ronda hurts chicks in the clinch and the gotta worry about the trow. Basically they will be fighting defensively and Ronda has added more power lately.

Wat other SW comes close to wat Ronda can do?

Your sig and your Avatar. Enough said. Don't call me biased when you're beyond that point. Joanna would be a stylistic nightmare for Ronda if they were in the same weight class. You don't have to believe me, go read some analysts' breakdowns of them both and what (little) is required to make it 10x harder for Ronda to win the way she's been lately.

 

[BigMuffler]

Jack Slack just did a good one that had all of you Rousey fans upset over what he outlined. What he outlined is what Joanna has already.

Jack Slack didn't say it would be easy like you're implying.

I'm not even convinced Joanna would beat the top 3 BW wrestlers let alone Rousey.

 

[BisexualMMA]

Would JJ really be able to teach her anything that Edmond Targaryan hasn't already shown her? Ronda Rowdy may just forever be a poor striker with no knack for the standup game.

That is possible, but training with probably the best female striker in the UFC...if that can't do it, then maybe nothing can. No guarantee the Joanna will make a great teacher, but if Rickson shows up and offers to teach you BJJ in return for some Judo pointers, may as well take advantage.

 

[315MMAFighter]

I wanna train with Ronda, in my room, hardcore lol. I'm being serious. Also she is hot!!


The way she knocked Bethe out after all that talk from Bethe actually made me want her even more than before. It's like her hotness had shot thru the roof for all the chicks she behead's

 

[Got GOAT]

With the takedown threat added in, it wouldn't be shocking for her to be able to land a big punch and hurt her really.

You seem quite striking biased though.

That takedown threat is close range, not from the distance. Ronda isn't going to be shooting for doubles and singles on Joanna, so it's much less of a threat to neutralize with a proper jab and footwork (again, which Joanna has in spades). It's much harder to control range on an actual wrestler, not a Judoka. A wrestler can shoot from halfway across the cage and potentially still get the TD, which you won't see any Judokas trying anytime soon (despite double legs and single legs existing in Judo).

Rousey is essentially a Greco-Roman wrestler but with the ability to attack the legs to score takedowns, something Greco wrestlers cannot do in competition. What do they both have in common? Their best takedowns have very limited range, they're inside in the clinch itself or from clinch-range. Now, there are some Judokas that are good wrestlers that will shoot for doubles and singles but that isn't Ronda, she's a clinch TD specialist.

A double leg takedown in Judo is called Morote Gari, single leg takedown is Kibisu Gaeshi, high crotch takedown is Te Guruma. They even have a Fireman's carry called the Kata Guruma (which was recently modified under sport rule). They also have a suplex, Ura Nage. IF Ronda was utilizing the open space (from the distance) takedowns more then she'd be able to close the distance quickly and likely more safely, instead, she bull rushes in on a straight line and tries to bully her opponent before taking them down from the clinch. Big difference.

 

[BigMuffler]

That takedown threat is close range, not from the distance. Ronda isn't going to be shooting for doubles and singles on Joanna, so it's much less of a threat to neutralize with a proper jab and footwork (again, which Joanna has in spades). It's much harder to control range on an actual wrestler, not a Judoka. A wrestler can shoot from halfway across the cage and potentially still get the TD, which you won't see any Judokas trying anytime soon (despite double legs and single legs existing in Judo).

Rousey is essentially a Greco-Roman wrestler but with the ability to attack the legs to score takedowns, something Greco wrestlers cannot do in competition. What do they both have in common? Their best takedowns have very limited range, they're inside in the clinch itself or from clinch-range. Now, there are some Judokas that are good wrestlers that will shoot for doubles and singles but that isn't Ronda, she's a clinch TD specialist.

A double leg takedown in Judo is called Morote Gari, single leg takedown is Kibisu Gaeshi, high crotch takedown is Te Guruma. They even have a Fireman's carry called the Kata Guruma (which was recently modified under sport rule). They also have a suplex, Ura Nage. IF Ronda was utilizing the open space (from the distance) takedowns more then she'd be able to close the distance quickly and likely more safely, instead, she bull rushes in on a straight line and tries to bully her opponent before taking them down from the clinch. Big difference.

Ronda did a single against top BW wrestler Miesha Tate, Joanna would absolutely have to worry about them.

I suppose we'll get a better sense of how this would go when Ronda fights Holm... if Holm makes it to a TS.