JJ sample likely a contaminant of another PED

Mods Please Ban TS for being an idiot. Everyone that reads this shit is dumber for their effort.
 
Fucking lmao if Jones 2nd sample shows more steroids it will be so glorious.

Dude is a complete and total sociopath and I hope he gets humiliated to the highest extent of society's wrath
 
I'm wondering if it would be possible. I thought the collection practices required them to split the same exact sample into two samples and have them sent out to be tested independently. If the second sample was different than the first, wouldn't that indicate improper handling procedures? We are talking Urine, right? If they were different, then there's a case that the urine could be someone else's. I'm not certain.
 
Turinabol isn't approved for any use, anywhere. At best, assuming the b sample comes back positive, he took something from an incredibly sketchy source. It could be a contaminated supplement, but not something anyone trying to stay clean would take.
 
I'm wondering if it would be possible. I thought the collection practices required them to split the same exact sample into two samples and have them sent out to be tested independently. If the second sample was different than the first, wouldn't that indicate improper handling procedures? We are talking Urine, right? If they were different, then there's a case that the urine could be someone else's. I'm not certain.
The sample is divided into two bottles when it is collected, and they're sealed in the athlete's presence. Both samples are sent to the same lab, identified only by a number. The b sample only gets tested if the a is positive for something, and then only of requested by the fighter. A negative on either one cleats the athlete, but different results are very rare (~0.1%, possibly lower).

 
my supplements were tainted with dick pills that were tainted with steroids that were tainted with other steroids
 
What does that article have to do with Jon Jones?
 
What does that article have to do with Jon Jones?

Semi-rambling post follows. You have been warned.

Jones tested positive for a steroid that isn't just banned by WADA, it has no approved use. The only places that make it are doing so illegally, and probably aren't run by the real world version of Walter White.

One of the arguments for Jones's positive coming from a contaminated supplement is that he'd be an idiot the take turinabol close to the fight. This is correct, but misleading. Turinabol wouldn't help him at all taken for a very short time immediately before a fight. But there are at least three problems with this, one of which is covered by the article.

One, Jones' positive came when he was dehydrated, just after the weight cut. So his urine would have been much more concentrated, and the metabolites/markers would be easier to detect. This could lead old samples being "clean", only because the markers weren't concentrated enough to show.

Two, the other samples may not have been tested for turinabol, or may have been done in a leave with less sensitive equipment. Again, this would make them "clean" simply due to detection limits.

The third issue, which the article refers to, is that turinabol isn't being made in a lab run by Merck, or Pfizer, or other large, well equipped outfits. It's being made in black market labs. Jones got bit by this before, assuming you accept the dick pills excuse. An lab running on the sly isn't going to have all the inspections and standards that a proper one will. Quality control is going to be questionable. Equipment won't get cleaned, or won't get cleaned thoroughly. And so you'll have cross contamination between runs of different drugs or supplements. So maybe Jones took some form of test or another prohibited substance that should clear his system in days or hours, but the turinabol that contaminated it is detectable for months. But we know it wasn't from a mass market, legit product, because there wouldn't be any turinabol in those labs to contaminate the product - it simply wouldn't be made there. The older samples were clean, because they were clean. The fight sample was dirty because Jones took something sketchy or outright banned just before the fight, which was contaminated with something else. Turinabol. The article refers to contamination with nandrolone, which nobody with any sense who gets tested would take, but the same logic applies.

Written on my phone. I'll be correcting wording for a while most likely, so if something looks like I was drink when I wrote it, that's only part of the reason.
 
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no it's not likely, what a stupid conclusion to jump to
 
Jones tested positive for a steroid that isn't just banned by WADA, it has no approved use. The only places that make it are doing so illegally, and probably aren't run by the real world version of Walter White.

Also, you can contrast this with a few other cases where people have claimed they failed due to contaminated supplements.

Jones, with "cialis" doped with clomid and letro (and something else) - all 3 contaminants have approved uses by the FDA. It still came from a shit lab, but at least in theory it could have come from somewhere else, as they're common medications.

JDS, with HCTZ - Know a guy with heart failure, or high blood pressure? Yes, you do. There's a decent chance he's on it, or a similar drug. It can be detected at incredibly minute levels, and there's a documented case of someone failing for it due to tylenol (though it could have been any drug) contaminated with it at a low enough level that still passed quality control standards. This doesn't mean JDS is getting off, but there's a plausible path for him to get a no-fault finding, depending on his test levels and how well he documented what he's taken recently. There's actually a case of someone failing due to tap water: https://www.usada.org/kristen-shaldybin-accepts-finding-of-no-fault-for-anti-doping-rule-violation/


Virtually any clenbuterol positive - If the guy ate meat in China or Mexico, they could be fucked. And short of going vegetarian or piscatarian, there's not an easy way to avoid it.

There's no "innocent" explanation for turinabol, or at least not one that wouldn't result in the FDA going after a drug or supplement company incredibly hard.
 
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Written on my phone. I'll be correcting wording for a while most likely, so if something looks like I was drink when I wrote it, that's only part of the reason.

Great little explanation, and a perfect slip up to finalise
 
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