JJ matches with commentary?

[NeelyWCU]

I like watching JJ matches live, and tryin to break them down, rather than watchin techniques being demonstrated...granted u need to know the "ideal" way to do stuff through slow breakdowns, but its also good to see them really done and other stuff that is harder to find "demonstrations" of

ex. watchin people break down others posture from closed guard....guard replacements

this leads to my other question...are there any matches where theres runnin commentary? whether from one of the competitors or someone knowledgable? not like, a joe rogan commentary, im sayin people that break down what they were trying to do?

theres so many much going on in a JJ match...grips, thoughts, set ups...i know im missing a lot...so does anyone have access to anythin like that? links?

 

[Bubble Boy]

I have to admit this is what I miss most about watching BJJ matches (like Mundials): no commentary.

I love listening to Neal Adams going nuts over throws and exciting moves during his commentary of Olympic and World's Judo. I learned so much by watching the judo as he commented on it; in fact I still do today.

 

[NeelyWCU]

i hope there comes a point where we have BJJ matches televised with commentators...i dont see why not...i know that most people right now look at BJJ and think its too slow, but i think eventually we will get to that point

but...i just want to get some good matches with commentary to them...especially when u start messin around with the open guard and stuff...to know what people are "thinking" and whats going through their head

 

[Ninjamurf]

Damn, I'd love to see that. Not necessarily on TV or anything but in the DVD's that you get of Mundials or ADCC. I've been sitting there with my dad and he'll ask, "hey, what's he trying to do?" And I have to try and explain it which is like a 4th grader trying to explain quantum physics to a horse. I'd love to see some of those matches with "expert commentary."

 

[NeelyWCU]

i know ive seen on a few dvds advertised that they have a "bonus" feature with commentary of matches...i believe it was a Machado dvd on triangles (the whole thing was about the triangle from different positions)....but i dont know if i was dreaming that, or it was real or not

 

[kaboom187]

This years ADCC had like... minimal commentary by Gumby from OTM.

 

[EndoG]

like a 4th grader trying to explain quantum physics to a horse.

Heh, =) that's a repetition worthy analogy.

 

[EndoG]

Seriously though someone should set-up cameras with multiple angles to film the Mundials or ADCC (ore even a smaller tournament), then edit the footage and add expert commentary. A lot of work, but whoever did it would make a lot of money--who wouldn't buy that? (Multiple angles is important though, it can be hard to tell what's going on otherwise and even harder for the audience to understand.)

 

[hockeyfacekilla**]

that'd be sick

 

[EndoG]

i hope there comes a point where we have BJJ matches televised with commentators...i dont see why not...i know that most people right now look at BJJ and think its too slow, but i think eventually we will get to that point

but...i just want to get some good matches with commentary to them...especially when u start messing around with the open guard and stuff...to know what people are "thinking" and whats going through their head

Technology is the solution to all ills my son. :icon_twis
Seriously though, what would make grappling/BJJ much more accessible and audience enjoyable is computer aided visuals.

Add RFID-type sensors on various known points of the competitors' bodies with a system to triangulate each sensor's position, from that you can reconstruct the entire skeletal configuration of each competitor on a moment by moment basis (assuming you've done a full MRI before hand, which you can use as reference).

You can then add see-through and skeletal views to highlight the action (which can be obscured even with multiple camera angles).

I imagine illustrated commentary with force and torque coloring and commentators making little scribbles around body parts after matches as they comment and critique on openings and technique.

How cool would that be?
Just you wait. (Or, on second thought, go get started on it, the latter would actually be preferable I think.)

 

[MaxPow]

Check out Bravo's DVD the Twister.

 

[jomatty]

whenever im watching grappling videos ive thought the same thing. it wouldnt take much work to just have someone sit down and talk while the video rolls. not as good as computer whaterver and multiple angle video but it would be very interesting and a step in the right direction.

 

[EndoG]

Just got and was watching the Twister, it's great! It's mainly a review of videos of Eddie's fights by Eddie over the course of his development. Simple as heck, but still very nice.
I'm surprised more people don't try something like this. Even just free on their websites to get advertising dollars and increase name recognition or... something.

Oh, and to any tournament organizers out there: advertising that a commented video/video series will be made of a tournament would probably be a big promotional draw--come grapple be famous! Somebodies got to get on this, make some deserved money and advance the art at the same time =)

 

[Gzzy]

Mike Jen has a DVD called "Dynamic BJJ" which has 4 matches (all featuring Joe Moriera) plus slo-motion explanations of the entire match and what each guy is trying to do. Really shows you the crazy level of techniques and strategy that blackbelts employ.

Rhadi Furguson has "the Grind" which has a ton of his Judo matches and running commentary on them.

Ryan Hall does commentary for most of his matches on thebjjexperiement.com (as if I needed to remind you of that link, haha)

 

[NeelyWCU]

thank you daniel-son

 

[stu3ufc**]

that'd be sick

yup, but you gotta consider that some 10 min fights go very slow with little happening --so its like the early Pride fights


I wud like comentary wud be nice

 

[Ninjamurf]

yup, but you gotta consider that some 10 min fights go very slow with little happening --so its like the early Pride fights


I wud like comentary wud be nice

But I would like commentary on those long, slow fights as well. A lot of time is just spent jockeying for position and trying NOT to make the big mistake. I'd like someone "in the know" to point out that if someones arm gets just a little bit straighter his opponent will be able to shift his hips, lift a leg, grab a lapel, hook an ankle, open his guard, etc. and they are both thinking about that right now. So even in a slow position we could get some more insight instead of just thinking, "why doesn't he just climb for a high guard and go for a freaking armbar?!" like the noobs that we are.

 

[Gzzy]

But I would like commentary on those long, slow fights as well. A lot of time is just spent jockeying for position and trying NOT to make the big mistake. I'd like someone "in the know" to point out that if someones arm gets just a little bit straighter his opponent will be able to shift his hips, lift a leg, grab a lapel, hook an ankle, open his guard, etc. and they are both thinking about that right now. So even in a slow position we could get some more insight instead of just thinking, "why doesn't he just climb for a high guard and go for a freaking armbar?!" like the noobs that we are.

Dynamic BJJ by Michael Jen, period. Nothing else comes close. He breaks down every minute movement and tactic that each guy is using. After seeing his stuff you'll never look at BJJ the same again IMO. He explains all that handfighting/gripping and position jockeying that takes place in a match as well as explaining all the setups for both successful and unsuccessful techniques.