Jimmy Carter: America is an Oligarchy

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Isnt Carter anti semit and the man who almost ruined the US single handed?

The moron who followed him ruined the country.

Still reeling from his policies today.

 

[Madmick]

The silly accusation "oh you must work for the DNC if you suggest that Clinton and Sanders are similar in terms of being anti-establishment." It's a discussion killer rather than a discussion starter.

It's actually just a really straightforward question. I'm a little entertained by the fact that you haven't simply confirmed you don't.

That kind of idiocy just brings discussions down. You're trying to say not that I'm wrong to have a liberal view of most issues but that by the very fact that I see things that way, I must have some kind of sinister motive.

Ahhh....why are you hurling insults Jack? I thought you were above that. So emotional.

She's the "insider" in the sense that she's the likely nomination winner, sure. But her policy proposals so far have been very anti-establishment....Think about it harder. It's an increase in capital gains taxes, which effectively means it transfers wealth from large holders of capital to the population at large. And it raises the tax in a way that, as you say, incentivizes long-term over short-term investment, which again shifts the tax burden toward the financial industry.

Except that it doesn't specifically target "large holders of capital". It targets anyone accruing capital gains. Second, the notion that raising taxes on the more affluent, or for anything, would make a Democrat anti-establishment is pretty har har. Call me when she makes her drastic anti-labor union proposal.

Let's see who he ends up endorsing. You seem to be under the impression that making a big ask with no chance of success is more threatening than realistic but less extreme proposals.

Nah, I'm not wading into that. I'm of the impression that portraying Hillary as an example of an anti-establishment candidate is laughable:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/election-2016-campaign-money-race.html
Over 3x as much money raised from the left's machine than Bernie, yet fewer than 19% of her donations have come in the form of small donations of $200 or less (while over 80% of Bernie's funds have come in that form).

Looks like Jackie boy forgot how to ground his opinions in evidence. He's become so much more emotional, recently.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Interesting. So you think it's unclear who would best serve to have CU overturned between the Senator who is actively trying to overturn (and of course it his Amendments have a much greater chance of passing than 0%) it and the former Senator who is currently revelling in its power...

 

[Madmick]

Yeah, I'm comfortable disagreeing with the guy who thinks that an anti-labor proposal would be "anti-establishment." That's clearly not a position that anyone can hold on the basis of unemotional reasoning.

LOL, oh God, I'm gonna have to hear this pitch. The political rifts between unions and Democrats over the past several decades is evidence of a real divorce between the Dems and unions:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304782404577488584031850026

Corporations and their employees also tend to spread their donations fairly evenly between the two major parties, unlike unions, which overwhelmingly assist Democrats. In 2008, Democrats received 55% of the $2 billion contributed by corporate PACs and company employees, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Labor unions were responsible for $75 million in political donations, with 92% going to Democrats.

Yeah. I bet really lighting into the labor unions would endear her to the Democratic establishment.

So what? Viability is probably the biggest factor in donations. In terms of policy, of course Clinton is anti-establishment.

"So what"? Candidate "viability" afforded by donations from "major contributors" who later expect favors is precisely the oligarchic establishment with "unlimited political bribery" that Carter ranted about in that article.

Maybe you should go grab a coffee, Jack. Not your best day.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Maybe you should go grab a coffee, Jack. Not your best day.

It's Friday bro. I'm thinking gin & tonic.

 

[IGIT]

hiya Anung Un Rama,

You would at least have to admit that Bernie Sanders' filing for an amendment to the Constitution to repeal Citizens United on at least 2 separate occasions AND not accepting SuperPac money makes him the obvious choice for Carter to endorse when compared to Hillary Clinton, who is ready and willing to accept $1B+ in SuperPac money, right?

I mean, the Carter quote you used doesn't even apply to Bernie, does it?
1. He's not accepting SuperPac money.
2. He's not running to stay in office, he's running for an entirely different office.

And Jimmy endorsing Hillary, who is ready and willing to accept $1B in Citizens United SuperPac money, would be pretty hypocritical, yeah?

So you would agree that its safer to say that thinking "Jimmy is endorsing Bernie Sanders" is much closer to the truth than "or Clinton", right?

ayup.

twisting Carter's words to suggest that he's agnostic about the differences between Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Sanders is

 

[emefer]

Oh get off Hilary's Koch already Jack, she's a company man.

 

[emefer]

When I make up my mind, I'll, of course, not be shy about expressing it (the last thing one can say about me is that I'm not opinionated). Not everyone sees everything in black and white the way you do, gov'nor.



Not really. I mean, maybe I'm wrong here, but I don't see how "filing amendments in an effort to overturn CU" will do anything at all. Clinton's strategy of picking SCOTUS justices that oppose the ruling seems more likely to be effective (to be fair to Bernie, while he hasn't mentioned that, I'm sure he'd do something similar with regard to SCOTUS nominations).

Bernie said he would make any scotus nominations pass a litmus test that they would overturn CU

 

[JosephDredd]

By my estimation he is by far the most dignified, honest, noble-hearted President we have had in the last century. He has more integrity and goodness of character than any of them. He's also one of the smartest men to ever hold office.

Agreed. It's nice to see history correcting the bad rap he received. He *is* the elder statesman that so many presidents pretend to be when they want to be historically remembered in a more kindly way.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

hiya Anung Un Rama,



ayup.

twisting Carter's words to suggest that he's agnostic about the differences between Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Sanders is

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

The Republican Party has done a bang up job smearing Carter while praising Reagan as the second coming of Christ.


Ronald Reagan is one of the right wings greatest myths.

People still drink the Reagan Kool Aid

 

[Jack V Savage]

LOL, oh God, I'm gonna have to hear this pitch. The political rifts between unions and Democrats over the past several decades is evidence of a real divorce between the Dems and unions:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304782404577488584031850026

Yeah. I bet really lighting into the labor unions would endear her to the Democratic establishment.

Yeah, so you're not understanding what the "establishment" is. It would be "anti-Democratic establishment" of her to propose an elimination of capital gains taxes and estate taxes, for example, but obviously that's not anti-establishment the way English speakers use the term.

"So what"? Candidate "viability" afforded by donations from "major contributors" who later expect favors is precisely the oligarchic establishment with "unlimited political bribery" that Carter ranted about in that article.

He's talking about sitting legislators running. Did you not read the article? It's short enough that an adult can probably take it in in 30 seconds.

Maybe you should go grab a coffee, Jack. Not your best day.

Having a great day, and you're making it even better. Funny stuff here.

ayup.

twisting Carter's words to suggest that he's agnostic about the differences between Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Sanders is

 

[Madmick]

Yeah, so you're not understanding what the "establishment" is. It would be "anti-Democratic establishment" of her to propose an elimination of capital gains taxes and estate taxes, for example, but obviously that's not anti-establishment the way English speakers use the term.

He's talking about sitting legislators running. Did you not read the article? It's short enough that an adult can probably take it in in 30 seconds.

O rly? I guess you didn't read the very first paragraph or listen to the actual YouTube clip (all of 1:26 long) that set up those later statements where he opined that this could be extended to even lesser officers that were incumbent.

"The essence of what made America a great country and its political system, now is just an oligarchy with unlimited political bribery being the essence of getting the nominations for President or elected President, and the same thing applies to governors and US senators and congress."
- Jimmy Carter

No one reads the links in the OPs...

Spoiler

 

[JohnnySagebrush]

File this under, "No shit, Sherlock."

 

[IGIT]

No one reads the links in the OPs...

hi JVS,

if you're suggesting that Carter was inferring that Congressman Sanders is for sale and being auctioned off to the highest bidder

 

[CauseImbetta]

Jimmy Carter was the best president the US ever had. He spoke the truth.

 

[Quipling]

Didn't that ship sail? Can she pick some people who oppose the ridiculous commerce clause ruling too?

Which one's this?

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Which one's this?

All of 'em that uphold the brain dead notion that this

[The Congress shall have Power] To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

allows the federal government to ban non-commercial, non-interstate activities and incarcerate individuals for growing/consuming a plant.

It can't get more succinct than "Certainly no evidence from the founding suggests that "commerce" included the mere possession of a good or some personal activity that did not involve trade or exchange for value"

 

[durgadurga]

the lobbies and political donors control america. the israeli lobby being the most powerful.

truth

I Wonder which community runs america

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I want to add that this bullshit interpretation is what allows the federal government to run roughshod over the states. It's complete nonsense. Not only do the words simply not add up to what SCOTUS says (no matter how beneficial such a ruling may be), it's antithetical to enumerated powers so there's not really even an argument that it meant to say what it obviously doesn't.

Interesting piece right here.

http://reason.com/blog/2015/01/02/even-the-supreme-courts-super-elastic-co

As Justice Clarence Thomas noted in his dissent, "If Congress can regulate this under the Commerce Clause, then it can regulate virtually anything