This is Jackie Chan's world. He's the best and that's coming from a kid who grew up on Bruce Lee and only first saw Jackie in Mr. Nice guy when I was 16. After that Bruce Lee faded into the background. I even get bored during Bruce Lee movies now.
Old man story: went to a Walmart, I was 16 (mid 90's) and wanted to buy the VHS of Game of Death but since it contained violence I had to be 18!
That scene is a remake of Bruce vs Chuck in The Way of the Dragon. Not only did Jackie begin his career as one of Bruce's stunt guys, and not only did his first push come in New Fist of Fury working with Raymond Chow and Lo Wei, and not only is Rumble in the Bronx almost a wholesale remake of The Way of the Dragon - the Bruce references/homages/ripoffs that litter action movie history are too numerous to list, even if we just focus on people like Jackie, Jet Li, Donnie Yen, and JCVD, who've all remade/ripped off Bruce's stuff - but this scene is pretty much 1:1 the same scene. In the Bruce/Chuck scene, Bruce's attacks initially prove ineffective and Chuck is able to get the better of him; it is only when Bruce changes his attitude and his strategy that he is able to defeat him. In much the same way, in Wheels on Meals, Jackie's attacks initially prove ineffective and Benny is able to get the better of him; it is only when Jackie changes his attitude and his strategy that he is able to defeat him. There's even the reset (Bruce sitting down, getting up, and starting the slow-motion Ali bit and then Jackie doing the "next round" bit on the chair and then running around Benny), the chest hair moment is replicated with Jackie tickling Benny. There's no Jackie Chan without Bruce Lee. Just about everyone who's ever thrown a punch or kick owes a considerable debt to him, and every single martial arts movie star lives in his giant shadow.
In short, there's Bruce Lee and then there's everyone else.
Michelle Yeoh was a dancer and very competent stuntwoman whose martial arts was 100% choreographed. She was not a legit fighter, but woke TS felt the need to add a woman to the list. Cynthia Rothrock was legit, though not really a movie "star". Yeoh was for sure a movie star who was in some of the most memorable martial arts scenes, such as in Supercop 2, but they were obviously fake despite being expertly choreographed and very entertaining.
This is Jackie Chan's world. He's the best and that's coming from a kid who grew up on Bruce Lee and only first saw Jackie in Mr. Nice guy when I was 16. After that Bruce Lee faded into the background. I even get bored during Bruce Lee movies now.
Old man story: went to a Walmart, I was 16 (mid 90's) and wanted to buy the VHS of Game of Death but since it contained violence I had to be 18!
This is the correct answer. We are talking about martial arts movie star so Jackie Chan wins. Bruce was a pioneer but looking at his movies now they are pretty formulaic. However, Chan films, especially of the 80's and 90's, still hold up today. Plus he pushed the stunt game to a whole new level. Chan is so good you can look at every decade from the 80's to the 00's and find a great martial arts film in every decade. I know others have posted Chan clips already but this fight scene is amazing and he was around 43 when he did this scene.
I know people don't want to say it but Bruce dying so young hurt his overall status. As good as Bruce was I wonder how he would have factored in during the 80's Hong Kong action cinema era when fights were significantly faster.
Is this asking for watchsbility and who is the funnest to watch? If so then yeah its Jackie (likely due to not many Bruce Lee movies) if its actually fight ability I doubt any of the guys mentioned in this an the other thread can touch Donnie Yen other than Bruce. Li was the best ever saw in form even better than Lee but wooden as an actor but his form is best I have seen on screen. Jackie was by far the greatest entertainer and knew how to please his audience action and comedy he was a master. Chow Yun Fat was best actor overall but his movies were GUN fu not so much GUNG fu.
If Bruce didn't die at start of his prime I don't think this is a question even asked .
This is the correct answer. We are talking about martial arts movie star so Jackie Chan wins. Bruce was a pioneer but looking at his movies now they are pretty formulaic. However, Chan films, especially of the 80's and 90's, still hold up today. Plus he pushed the stunt game to a whole new level. Chan is so good you can look at every decade from the 80's to the 00's and find a great martial arts film in every decade. I know others have posted Chan clips already but this fight scene is amazing and he was around 43 when he did this scene.
I know people don't want to say it but Bruce dying so young hurt his overall status. As good as Bruce was I wonder how he would have factored in during the 80's Hong Kong action cinema era when fights were significantly faster.
That is such a solid clip! I've probably watched it 30 times. I love the style mash up. When I'm home after drinking with friends and I run through fight clips this is always in the rotation.
Michelle Yeoh was a dancer and very competent stuntwoman whose martial arts was 100% choreographed. She was not a legit fighter, but woke TS felt the need to add a woman to the list.
She's as legit as Jackie (trained in Peking Opera, not a competitive fighter) or Jet (trained in wushu, not contact). And it's not woke to include arguably the GOAT female martial arts movie star.
Yeoh was for sure a movie star who was in some of the most memorable martial arts scenes, such as in Supercop 2, but they were obviously fake despite being expertly choreographed and very entertaining.
This is the correct answer. We are talking about martial arts movie star so Jackie Chan wins. Bruce was a pioneer but looking at his movies now they are pretty formulaic.
Formulaic? First, Bruce's films invented the formula. Far from being formulaic, they were groundbreaking and they set the standard that everyone who has come in Bruce's wake has tried to meet. Second, everyone who followed him - including Jackie - copied his formula. Jackie acted in films which if they weren't wholesale remakes of Bruce's films at least included riffs on/homages to scenes from his films, not to mention Jet Li remaking Fist of Fury as Fist of Legend (and then acting in Fearless as the character of Bruce's teacher in Fist of Fury), Donnie Yen doing Ip Man as basically a remake of Fist of Fury, JCVD doing Bloodsport and not just ripping off Enter the Dragon wholesale but even lifting lines and using one of its villains! If you're going to shit on Bruce for being "formulaic," then you should shit even harder on the people who've been copying him over and over for the last half century.
Bruce was the one who brought speed into the equation. This sequence is fantastic, especially with multiple people attacking him at once instead of the standard one-at-a-time choreography...
...and this sequence also showcases his speed brilliantly...
...plus literally everyone who was ever around Bruce training or sparring in real life talked about how the most incredible thing about him was his speed. He would've been just fine.
Because Jackie loves to entertain. And even in his fights, he always gets hit. His character doesn't need to act like a badass, because merely seeing him do his shit however goofy it looks, we know he's got the biggest balls ever.
Because Jackie loves to entertain. And even in his fights, he always gets hit. His character doesn't need to act like a badass, because merely seeing him do his shit however goofy it looks, we know he's got the biggest balls ever.
For me, the major knock on Jackie is how precious he was about being liked. He always had to play the lovable good guy, to the point where he refused to ever play a villain. He turned down Demolition Man and fortunately we got Wesley Snipes' iconic Simon Phoenix. He also turned down Lethal Weapon 4 and we got Jet Li's vicious villain. Ever the babyface, I would've liked to have seen Jackie try being a heel just once, and I certainly would have more respect for him career-wise if he'd tried playing more than just one note. He played that note damn well, no taking that away from him, but Li and Van Damme were great villains, Donnie Yen was like Bogart and started out his career playing villains more often than heroes, even Seagal's played villains.
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