News Jessica Andrade out of UFC Paris fight vs Manon Fiorot

TempleoftheDog said:
Fighting two fights in 7 weeks at 38-39 sounds like a bad idea. A loss now ends any and all TS talk for all time. Manon is dangerous. Best to fight her on a full camp, and only if she has to.

That’s just my opinion but it’s Murphy’s choice.
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Wouldnt be better to keep the camp going tho? She didnt take any damage and iirc she did say she wanted the winner, now the there will be no winner it looks like a good chance to step in.
 
TempleoftheDog said:
Yeah, Murphy just did.. like today?? Wtf?
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Tate hasn't looked good in awhile, and is closer to retirement than contention. Fiorot has hype and hasn't fought Shev yet.

I haven't checked to see how short notice it would be for Murphy. Maybe Chookagian would take it that works too. I don't want to see either against Shevchenko anytime soon.
 
DeformedGravy said:
Tate hasn't looked good in awhile, and is closer to retirement than contention. Fiorot has hype and hasn't fought Shev yet.

I haven't checked to see how short notice it would be for Murphy. Maybe Chookagian would take it that works too. I don't want to see either against Shevchenko anytime soon.
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It’s September 3. And I’m sorry if Tate doesn’t meet your standard for murphy defending her ranking. But where was your argument BEFORE the fight? Half you clowns or more picked Tate to win ffs. Murphy isn’t getting a TS off of that Tate win and she knows it. But, fighting Manon as her second fight in 7 weeks is a really fucking bad idea.

If she hadn’t fought today, or if it was a TS, it would make sense. But, she did, and it isn’t. Pretty clear to me.
 
I suspect Murphy will step in if she gets the chance.

I'm still a bit disappointed Chookagian fell out, though. She was the most stylistically interesting match-up for Fiorot by far IMO.
 
call me a casual but i didnt even know this fight was made
 
El Fernas said:
Wouldnt be better to keep the camp going tho? She didnt take any damage and iirc she did say she wanted the winner, now the there will be no winner it looks like a good chance to step in.
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I mean, only she can answer that. But all athletes need time off. They never get through TC unscathed. Then there’s the fight. Sure it looks like she didn’t take any damage, but she probably has bumps and bruises. That’s why she called out the winner. The fight would be 6-8 months down the road with a full TC knowing who you are fighting.

It only makes sense to pass on this for me. Her next fight might be enough for another TS. It would be best for her to give herself any possible advantage she can.

Again, it’s just my opinion. She had a good win today. Rest up for the next one. Unless they make her an offer she can’t refuse. But, if Chook is ready to go, it’s best for Murphy to sit out.
 
Wow didn't know about this fight. Would've been a big step up for Fiorot. Not sure she's ready.
 
TempleoftheDog said:
It’s September 3. And I’m sorry if Tate doesn’t meet your standard for murphy defending her ranking. But where was your argument BEFORE the fight? Half you clowns or more picked Tate to win ffs. Murphy isn’t getting a TS off of that Tate win and she knows it. But, fighting Manon as her second fight in 7 weeks is a really fucking bad idea.

If she hadn’t fought today, or if it was a TS, it would make sense. But, she did, and it isn’t. Pretty clear to me.
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All I'm saying is Murphy or Chook/Fiorot sounds better than Fiorot/unranked last minute opponent.

Murphy is under no obligation to take the fight and I've been made aware Chook was the original opponent.
 
Safton said:
I suspect Murphy will step in if she gets the chance.

I'm still a bit disappointed Chookagian fell out, though. She was the most stylistically interesting match-up for Fiorot by far IMO.
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I thought the Jessica fight was the most interesting fight for Manon. And I saw today that Chook might be back in the mix for this fight.

We should hear soon.
 
DeformedGravy said:
All I'm saying is Murphy or Chook/Fiorot sounds better than Fiorot/unranked last minute opponent.

Murphy is under no obligation to take the fight and I've been made aware Chook was the original opponent.
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Wait, are we talking about what’s best for Murphy’s career, or entertainment value? When was entertainment ever mentioned? That’s a completely different conversation. Of course, I want to see the best highest ranked fight they can put on. But, if Chook still isn’t able, and Jessica is definitely out. I don’t think Murphy should take that fight. Not considering all circumstances.
 
TempleoftheDog said:
It’s September 3. And I’m sorry if Tate doesn’t meet your standard for murphy defending her ranking. But where was your argument BEFORE the fight? Half you clowns or more picked Tate to win ffs. Murphy isn’t getting a TS off of that Tate win and she knows it. But, fighting Manon as her second fight in 7 weeks is a really fucking bad idea.

If she hadn’t fought today, or if it was a TS, it would make sense. But, she did, and it isn’t. Pretty clear to me.
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Before the fight it was still Fiorot/Andrade. Which was a good fight.

I think you think I have an agenda here. I just want to see good fights. If fighters are injured or just fought, like today, its their judgment if they feel able to have a quick turnaround. Its like 7 weeks right?
 
TempleoftheDog said:
I thought the Jessica fight was the most interesting fight for Manon. And I saw today that Chook might be back in the mix for this fight.

We should hear soon.
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Jessica had the potential to be a fun fight and a good test, don't get me wrong. But she's trying to make a run back at 115, why the fuck is she jumping back up to 125 to try and derail a contender there?

To make my case for why I liked the Chook fight more, I'll just repost what I said in an earlier thread:

Safton said:
For me it's a matter of Chookagian having legitimately proven herself to be the second-best fighter at Flyweight with her resume. She doesn't get points with the fans for her style (understandably), but she's a tough puzzle for most vets to figure out -- much less up-and-comers. An incredibly frustrating puzzle, at that. Of all the contenders who would have a chance of going tit-for-tat with Katlyn and her rangy, technical, volume-oriented kickboxing style -- I'd expect it to be someone like Fiorot who competed at the international level in sport karate, K-1, and Muay Thai and before transitioning to MMA. Even now she utilizes a very karate-esque aggressive striking style with lots of output on the feet from the outside and a diverse striking arsenal, though she's also willing to mix in takedowns lately. She doesn't have the resume or size that Chook does, but she's a little more well-rounded and way more of a finishing threat. It would have been really intriguing to see from a stylistic perspective how things played out in the striking exchanges.

The replacement is going to be a banger, no doubt. Andrade is objectively way more exciting to watch than Chookagian and will test every part of Fiorot's game. And as a fight fan I'll enjoy watching it. But she openly announced that she dedicated herself to 115. Hell, she just knocked off a contender down there in Lemos and has been talking about making another title run at SW. I don't doubt she'll be a game short-notice replacement who can easily pack the weight back on given how easily she's moved between divisions throughout her career, but what's the sense in letting Jessica potentially finish the person that the UFC is building up as the person is "next potential person to dethrone Valentina" only to fuck off back to 115? Where's the sense in that? I mean, sure, if Fiorot beats Andrade (especially finishes her) it looks that much better for building her up for that purpose, but that's a seriously risky gamble for both women and the promotion.
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Safton said:
Jessica had the potential to be a fun fight and a good test, don't get me wrong. But she's trying to make a run back at 115, why the fuck is she jumping back up to 125 to try and derail a contender there?
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Because Jessica is the consensus JBGoddess of SD. She doesn’t give a fuck. Anybody at any weight at any time. She’s highly ranked in both divisions, and doesn’t care where she gets a TS next. Whether against Weili who took her belt, or Shevchenko who she lost a TS to. That’s just who she is. And she believes she’ll win either fight.
 
A wmma fight people actually gave a shit about, that’s a bummer!
 
TempleoftheDog said:
Wait, are we talking about what’s best for Murphy’s career, or entertainment value? When was entertainment ever mentioned? That’s a completely different conversation. Of course, I want to see the best highest ranked fight they can put on. But, if Chook still isn’t able, and Jessica is definitely out. I don’t think Murphy should take that fight. Not considering all circumstances.
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Entertainment value. I'm not her, as the consumer I'd just rather she fight down the rankings as frequently as possible. Shes 38 she doesn't have a ton of time with a loss to the champ before beating Tate.

I don't think its best for Murphy, but I'm not her. But if she takes it I wouldn't complain.
 
TempleoftheDog said:
Because Jessica is the consensus JBGoddess of SD. She doesn’t give a fuck. Anybody at any weight at any time. She’s highly ranked in both divisions, and doesn’t care where she gets a TS next. Whether against Weili who took her belt, or Shevchenko who she lost a TS to. That’s just who she is. And she believes she’ll win either fight.
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I get that, but it just doesn't seem like the most efficient management of her own career or of two contenders by the UFC. I was fine with it because it still represented a good test for Manon against a proven veteran and kept her active on top of being a fun fight between finishers, but it is not the situation I wanted to see by any means. Jessica seems very committed to dropping back down to 115 to make another run there and that loss against Shevchenko was both recent and utterly one-sided in nature.
 
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