JDS's TDD overatted or Cains takedowns underrated?

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  1. Title Fight Productions

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    Wow what a crazy 5 round fight!!!!!!

    Just wondering people's thoughts on the fight and the grappling? 11 Takedowns for Cain altho he was relentless is way more than JDS has ever been taken down!!!

    Cains grappling and takedowns were the big difference (besides the pace and constant attack).

    I know JDS just got his BB and he had some good ground work. Sweep to almost back take, nice sweep off a takedown, but overall he was pretty much out grappled by the AKA wrestling standout.

    Can't wait for the trilogy!!!!
     
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    JDS's TDD is overrated. It is definitely some of the best tdd out there, but if you look at his record it's over rated. The only good TD artist he fought was Cain. And cain was injured in that fight but he proved he could take dos santos down anyways tonight. He fought and kept the fights on the feet against Werdum and Mir, but they are BJJ guys and not wrestlers/good TD artists. Shane Carwin was an accomplished wrestler, but in MMA he is a striker and doesn't really use any wrestling. So he is no standout TD artist either.
     
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    TDD over rated he was still stuffing some take Downs even though he passed gas in the 3rd and 4th.

    JDS TDD is not over rated nor Cain's Takedown is underrated

    People have expected that Cain will get a takedown here and there and some will be stuff by Dos Santos.
     
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    Really? Most of what I heard on her in thread after thread was no way Cain was getting the takedown.......
     
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    Well in Sherdog standards you can say Cain is so under Rated. It seems those people have not watch Cain previously or does not know what Caliber of a Wrestler Cain is.
     
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    Junior's takedown defense looked excellent until he started slowing down and got rocked. He even reversed Cain at one point. It was the pressure that got to him. I still think Cain's takedowns aren't that great, he just tries landing them over and over and over until they succeed.
     
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    neither, he wasnt able to take him down until he was rocked and gassed
     
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    Cain played the Game Plan very well. Cain knows he has a good Cardio and he can afford to do sloppy takedowns. I think I never saw Cain shoot Sloppy takedowns this much it seems at first he is panicking but from what we have seen its just part of the Gameplan to keep JDS on the defensive. Shooting sloppy takedowns against JDS is less risky than trying to set up with strikes very often specially when JDS is fresh.

    JDS may have over exerted him self on those scrambles. It seems JDS has some Cardio issues not a good one if you are facing a cardio Machine like Cain. JDS needs to learn how to control the pace of fight from Anderson Silva. Silva has has perfected that style thats why some preasure fighter looks bad when fighting Silva.
     
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    you ever hear of the "grind" in wrestling? That is wrestling! That how it works, impose your will with sheer will power! And Cains wrestling is great!
     
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    Neither..i was amazed at how underrated Cains striking and chin really were. He ate more than a couple shots while standing.
     
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    Silva isn't great at it either, just look at the first 6 rounds vs Chael. Yes Silva won both fights but he looked like shit for the first 6 rounds of both fights because Chael pressured him and grinder on him.
     
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    I keep mentioning how JDS didn't finish Big Country or Carwin, but no one wanted to listen......
     
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    Then again Silva looked pretty horrible the first fight against Sonnen...

    The threat of the takedown can make a striker look worse than they are.
     
  14. Brock2026

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    JDS was showing his ability to defend takedowns and stand back up in a scramble but got tired right away and now Cain is still fresh and is battling against a hurt and tired boxer and was able to take him down from there.
     
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    What's with the two extremities of choices?

    Neither is the answer.

    Cain has really good TDs, JDS has really good TDD. But Cain's pace ultimately wore on JDS. What the heck.
     
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    Its just 1 fight and he still won. I say he is great at it.
     
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    what the hell is this, the heavies?

    so because JDS gets taken down a bunch his takedown defense is overrated? i thought he did just fine, he defended quite a few in the later rounds and it looked like cain was nowhere near a takedown in the beginning of the first.

    the problem for JDS here was that he was slow and sluggish even when the fight started, and he only got slower. it could be a problem in the camp, it could be the extra little weight, or he just simply slowed down. but he wasn't nearly as explosive as in his previous fights.

    and how can cain's takedowns be underrated? everyone knew he had really technical wrestling.
     
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    Cain has good takedowns and JDS has good defence. Remember Cain landed 11 of 33 attempts which isn't actually that much as a percentage compared to Bendo landing all 8 against Nate Diaz for example.
     
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    I don't think we were watching the same fight.. Both were gassed by the end.

    Cain rocked him so he was wobbly and slow for 3 rounds, then JDS started getting quicker and quicker untill he got clipped again in the 5th.

    I thought it exposed JDS a bit because although intense those takedowns we're sloppy. If he didn't rock him he was going to get ko'd.

    So in conclusion your wrong about cardio machine and I feel like Cain could have done better and should have finished a few times.

    Not to mention he obviously allergic to getting hooks in on a sloppy turtled opponent. Also could/should have had the armbar
     
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    I think Cain is a stuborn Wrestler with that Wrestling mentality of not going for hooks and submission.
     

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