JBJ was juiced from the beginning of his career?

[Dbreiden83080]

Beating other cheaters. Guys that would blow the lab up today..

 

[Toxxus]

Then explain this:

BY TRISTEN CRITCHFIELDJAN 21, 2015

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Vi...Levels-Before-UFC-182-Highly-Suspicious-80631



Jones had his T/E levels measured on three occasions -- an extra test was ordered because his first sample was diluted -- as part of out-of-competition drug testing ordered by the NAC. His ratio in the three tests were 0.29:1, 0.35:1 and 0.19:1, well below the normal ratio (1.3:1) for an average African-American male, according to Conte. In addition, Jones’ testosterone levels in those three tests were 1.8 ng/mL, 0.59 ng/mL and 4.9 ng/mL; the average level for a male is 61.3 ng/ML.

However, the NAC later revealed to MMAJunkie.com that Carbon Isotope Ratio testing was performed on each of Jones’ drug tests, including a pair of post-fight samples, and the results came back clean. Although the CIR tests would be able to detect if Jones had been using exogenous testosterone, Conte remains skeptical not only of the champion’s low overall levels, but of the great variance in Jones’ T/E ratios as well.

“If they see a deviation in the T/E ratio of greater than 30 percent, there is something up. That’s a red flag,” Conte explained. “If you look at Daniel [Cormier’s] two ratios, they were .42 and .47; that’s about an eight percent deviation. If you look at the numbers for Jon Jones, his was basically an 80 percent deviation. His is suspicious and Daniel Cormier’s is not. It’s not just that he’s got very low [testosterone] levels, much lower than Daniel. Daniel’s are normal, his are extremely low.”

Cormier’s T/E ratios were 0.40:1 and 0.48:1, while his testosterone levels were 50 ng/mL and 70 ng/mL.

“These are highly suspicious for Jon Jones, in my opinion,” Conte said. “This is the reason that sophisticated anti-doping officials do target testing. So based on what we see here, my opinion is Jon Jones should be on a very short leash and should be random tested here until they sort out why he has these anomalies.”

That Jones’ levels were as low as they were should raise a red flag, according to Conte, because the use of performance enhancing drugs could be a potential culprit.

“The question is what was suppressing his testosterone production for that period of time. Something caused it to go down, and I do not believe it was overtraining,” Conte said. “Exogenous testosterone and other steroids in a period of time, depending on dosage and method of administration, can completely shut your testosterone and epitestosterone levels in urine to 0....The levels being low there can be many explanations. [People say], ‘Well maybe it’s because he was taking cocaine.’ There’s no solid science out there that shows cocaine lowers testosterone.
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I remember seeing that and thinking, "OK, Jones is definitely on something." I also don't buy that Cormier has a T/E ration 67% lower than the average black male.

Jon beating the CIR test - the best they have - should tell us all something. Fighters are beating these tests on a regular basis.

 

[lethal21]

well if you think about Jon`s behaviour - he was always trying to be nice and likeble while its pretty obvious to anyone that he is fake. Imo its possible that he is faking all this stuff simply cuz he dont want to make any enemies who can dig his dark secrets and try to hurt him and thats why he is trying to be this super nice guy. So imo it makes sense that he was juiced from the beginning.
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DC`s hunch that he felt bigger is pretty interesting. As someone above posted - when you train with so many guys you kinda feel when something is not right.

 

[Toxxus]

He does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. His entire career should be considered suspect, just like Anderson, Vanderlei, and Vitor, even Royce Gracie.

Edit to add Royce

Might as well toss Fedor on there - comes to America looks softer and weaker than ever - loses 3 in a row - retreats to Russia - wins 3 and retires.

 

[chukutee]

No they're not. Your thinking of hgh maybe?

Yes they are. Go to an anti-aging clinic and they will put you on TRT among other things.
Sure, HGH too... if you are rich.