Economy Japan's GDP (current US$) is smaller than it was in 1994.

[ThaiSexPills]

It isn't surprising if you understand how Japanese work culture works. In a nutshell it's all about appearances. You're expected to work very long hours and take part in after-hours work activities e.g. going drinking with potential customers. But the actual efficiency of your work doesn't matter, only that you appear to be working and 'sacrificing' yourself for the company. So what people do is they do real work 40 hours a week, then pretend to work - making themselves look busy - an extra 30 hours per week, unpaid. In the end on paper it says they worked 70 hours but those hours were incredibly inefficient. The person who does this gets the promotion because they fulfilled what the culture expected of them. You tack-on the extra work activities after work, and you end up with a burned out population that has no time for leisure or raising children. Most workers don't even take their yearly vacation time because the culture considers that it reflects poorly on them; they would get snide, under-handed comments from their boss and coworkers. They even have a word for killing yourself through work (karoshi), any culture that feels the need to create a word for that is in trouble.

The issue is that Japan is very conservative, they don't like changing anything. This can be good sometimes, but in other instances like this one it's not good. They have this obviously insane, toxic and counter-productive work culture, but they just... don't change it.

Well said. When I was in Japan for work, the staff would stay, unpaid until the boss left. They figured if the boss was still there, their work was not finished.

I work with a manufacturing company in Canada and we were in the process of buying more machines from them. They are very meticulous with their work and work very hard, often to a fault. Interesting culture. They are much more focused on team goals than personal goals.

Being 6’1 over there makes you feel huge too.

 

[tastaylvr]

Well said. When I was in Japan for work, the staff would stay, unpaid until the boss left. They figured if the boss was still there, their work was not finished

how do you post this as a positive??

Nobody wants to do unpaid work lol

 

[Yehudim]

civilised? That’s debatable lol

japan has low crime in the same way Dubai has low crime

most people would hate to live in Japan tbh

Authoritarian shit hole with a slave labour culture

Meds

 

[tastaylvr]

Meds

what are you on about?

nobody wants to live in Japan lol

just deal with it bro

 

[Kha'bless]

It isn't surprising if you understand how Japanese work culture works. In a nutshell it's all about appearances. You're expected to work very long hours and take part in after-hours work activities e.g. going drinking with potential customers. But the actual efficiency of your work doesn't matter, only that you appear to be working and 'sacrificing' yourself for the company. So what people do is they do real work 40 hours a week, then pretend to work - making themselves look busy - an extra 30 hours per week, unpaid. In the end on paper it says they worked 70 hours but those hours were incredibly inefficient. The person who does this gets the promotion because they fulfilled what the culture expected of them. You tack-on the extra work activities after work, and you end up with a burned out population that has no time for leisure or raising children. Most workers don't even take their yearly vacation time because the culture considers that it reflects poorly on them; they would get snide, under-handed comments from their boss and coworkers. They even have a word for killing yourself through work (karoshi), any culture that feels the need to create a word for that is in trouble.

The issue is that Japan is very conservative, they don't like changing anything. This can be good sometimes, but in other instances like this one it's not good. They have this obviously insane, toxic and counter-productive work culture, but they just... don't change it.

Any link between that and their stagnation in robotics in which they were once the World leaders and are a laughing stock now since others passed them by in a blink of an eye?

Also any link with why most Japanese cars are so fucking ugly box lookings things?

 

[dreden1982]

Maybe they should uncensor their porn

 

[MicroBrew]

What you said is definitely true but "empowered" careerist woman is definitely a part of it. The expectation of a woman is to get a career, get high position in the career and put off marriage if necessary to do it. If you do have a kid, the kid gets institutionalized by daycare/school/the internet. Mom and dad are too busy trying to be careerists or busting their ass to be mortgage slaves for a house they mostly only sleep in. Thats if mom decides to stay otherwise she takes half of dad's shit and the narrative switches to 'i dont need no man' powerful single mom who is still bringing home boyfriends at 35.

Now-a-days it is ok for a woman to pursue a career if she wants to. They are not pressured or forced to do so; they are just given almost all the same choices that men have always had.

 

[NoSmilez]

Japan hasn't really recovered from their decline in the 90s. They used to be innovative but not anymore. I think they are happy just doing things their way and the world sort of passed them by in terms of innovation. I don't think they really care though. I don't think they are trying to be number one in the world. They are just trying to maintain their way of life. Their way of life is a pretty high standard one but some aspects are very outdated.

Technology like robotics and cellphones all fell behind. They used to be famous for their electronics. It's more retro gaming or junk electronics now. Stuff is in super mint condition if you are into retro gaming. People really take care of possessions over there. You can find gameboys in the original box and instruction booklet. Certain things like hanko is still used in everyday life.

 

[Day Drinking]

Japan hasn't really recovered from their decline in the 90s. They used to be innovative but not anymore. I think they are happy just doing things their way and the world sort of passed them by in terms of innovation. I don't think they really care though. I don't think they are trying to be number one in the world. They are just trying to maintain their way of life. Their way of life is a pretty high standard one but some aspects are very outdated.

Technology like robotics and cellphones all fell behind. They used to be famous for their electronics. It's more retro gaming or junk electronics now. Stuff is in super mint condition if you are into retro gaming. People really take care of possessions over there. You can find gameboys in the original box and instruction booklet. Certain things like hanko is still used in everyday life.

They won't be able to maintain that standard of living with how theor population is aging.

 

[tramendous]

Now-a-days it is ok for a woman to pursue a career if she wants to. They are not pressured or forced to do so; they are just given almost all the same choices that men have always had.

They are most definitely pressured to do so. They cant afford the houses they want to live in with a single salary and stay at home moms are antithetical to the feminist empowered woman outlook.

They wouldnt be writing shit like this otherwise:

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/r...m/news-story/fbd6fe7b79e8b4136d49d991b6a1f41c

 

[tramendous]

Japan is great. Very civilized, high tech, clean, low crime, polite, educated. They don't care about those silly numbers.

They should care. A lot of Japanese are also dissatisfied.

 

[panamaican]

They are most definitely pressured to do so. They cant afford the houses they want to live in with a single salary and stay at home moms are antithetical to the feminist empowered woman outlook.

They wouldnt be writing shit like this otherwise:

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/r...m/news-story/fbd6fe7b79e8b4136d49d991b6a1f41c

Did you read your article? This woman is literally complaining about how much support there is for stay at home mothers and that the support should stop.

If your argument is that women are being pressured into careers, an article that is angry about how much women are NOT being pressured into careers and about how bad it is that the government and the pundits strongly support stay at home moms is not making the point you think it is.

That's not being pressured in careers, that's being pressured not to pursue them. This one woman's complaint demonstrates that the public sentiment, at least in Australia, is very different from your claims.

 

[MicroBrew]

They are most definitely pressured to do so. They cant afford the houses they want to live in with a single salary and stay at home moms are antithetical to the feminist empowered woman outlook.

They wouldnt be writing shit like this otherwise:

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/r...m/news-story/fbd6fe7b79e8b4136d49d991b6a1f41c

Financial pressure from housing costs is a totally different thing to society pressuring women to have a career for the sake of having a career. There are hundreds of millions of women in the developing world who have to work because their families are very poor, and these women are not in progressive societies.

Some feminist writers saying women should work is really not the same as society coercing and insisting they should work. There's all kinds of things being written by left leaning and right leaning writers, that doesn't necessarily mean it is the zeitgeist of society.

 

[tramendous]

Did you read your article? This woman is literally complaining about how much support there is for stay at home mothers and that the support should stop.

If your argument is that women are being pressured into careers, an article that is angry about how much women are NOT being pressured into careers and about how bad it is that the government and the pundits strongly support stay at home moms is not making the point you think it is.

That's not being pressured in careers, that's being pressured not to pursue them. This one woman's complaint demonstrates that the public sentiment, at least in Australia, is very different from your claims.

shes just gas lighting. They do this a lot. Its why they always have never ending causes where for example they can always complain that America is racist or sexist.

 

[tramendous]

Financial pressure from housing costs is a totally different thing to society pressuring women to have a career for the sake of having a career. There are hundreds of millions of women in the developing world who have to work because their families are very poor, and these women are not in progressive societies.

Some feminist writers saying women should work is really not the same as society coercing and insisting they should work. There's all kinds of things being written by left leaning and right leaning writers, that doesn't necessarily mean it is the zeitgeist of society.

We're talking about the west not destitute people in developing countries. Every workplace these days has a female quota and even the highest up positions are encouraged to flaunt how they have women up there in developed countries. If you dont think there is societal pressure on woman to be careerists, you're blind as hell.

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

Maybe conservative values like big families are good for the economy.

Maybe conservative social spending policies make it difficult to have a big family?


In reality, the issue is more simple than that. You can trace this issue back to returning vets from WW2 and corporations realizing they can buy off politicians and force a 2 income household on the US thus slowly eating away at worker pay.

 

[MicroBrew]

We're talking about the west not destitute people in developing countries. Every workplace these days has a female quota and even the highest up positions are encouraged to flaunt how they have women up there in developed countries. If you dont think there is societal pressure on woman to be careerists, you're blind as hell.

The quota doesn't mean women are forced to take jobs. The women I know who work before and shortly after having kids, do so because they want a nice house in a middle class neighborhood and or they are bored sitting at home doing nothing. Many women do work because they find it fullfilling.

 

[tramendous]

The quota doesn't mean women are forced to take jobs. The women I know who work before and shortly after having kids, do so because they want a nice house in a middle class neighborhood and or they are bored sitting at home doing nothing. Many women do work because they find it fullfilling.

no one said forced. I said pressured. They want a house that are only affordable by both parents working. So a huge amount of them become mortgage slaves, they have to work longer hours, have to focus more on what is happening in the office and birthrates plummet as more and more of them stop having children and start instead plug their desire to have children by treating their pets as their kids. When they do have children, they relegate most of their child's day to daycare/school/the internet. Life destroying divorce processes then compound the fact that an increasing number of children grow up with absent fathers and broken families. These women feel like if they dont have a career or work or have that house, then somehow they are less.

 

[MicroBrew]

no one said forced. I said pressured. They want a house that are only affordable by both parents working. So a huge amount of them become mortgage slaves, they have to work longer hours, have to focus more on what is happening in the office and birthrates plummet as more and more of them stop having children and start instead plug their desire to have children by treating their pets as their kids. When they do have children, they relegate most of their child's day to daycare/school/the internet. Life destroying divorce processes then compound the fact that an increasing number of children grow up with absent fathers and broken families. These women feel like if they dont have a career or work or have that house, then somehow they are less.

Higher birthrate = increasing population , which = more demand for housing, which = higher home prices, which = 2 parents needing to work to buy a decent home.

 

[Yehudim]

Higher birthrate = increasing population , which = more demand for housing, which = higher home prices, which = 2 parents needing to work to buy a decent home.

There’s a lot of factors going in to housing prices and a low birth rate which is what much of the world is stuck with right now are seeing unprecedented housing prices.

When your population is old, everybody is in a position to buy a home which leads to inflated prices, and their isn’t a demand (or workforce) for affordable housing. Everything has to be super comfortable (expensive) and you can afford that when the median age is over 40 and everyone has 20+ years experience in the workforce and making a lot of money.