This subject came up in the Pariah thread. Cockysprinter mentioned that James didn't like the dynamic overhead barbell lifts for most athletes due to the repetitive stress placed on the shoulders, and I wanted to know more. Cocky said he thought James only opposed them during the in-season, and maybe this is right (he doesn't elaborate much here), but it looks like he's just opposed in general. You aren't confused, Cocky, I found it (the referenced passage) in the Supertraining thread (Post #5): http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=176661&page=2&pp=20 My former boss said the same thing. He didn't like C&J for basketball/football players- since despite that the "double knee bend" is the fastest human movement- the movement involves a deceleration phase, and there is no such phase in these sports. The same is true for MMA. I have to admit, I'm very apprehensive about giving up my Barbell C&J. But I have to get over that, there just seems to be a consensus on this point from those I respect: my former boss, James Smith, Entropy, Urban. Nevertheless, I also think it should be kept in mind the potential for force with these lifts. Even dynamic powerlifts don't rival the motor recruitment of the olympic movements, so when I'm after speed-strength, the cleaning station is where I'm headed.