Elections James Carville on the state of the Democrat party

Look at the student loan issue. For people with debt, it would be a windfall. Do you really see the general American public agreeing to pay off over a trillion in debt, many see as the fault of the debtors to begin with? While student loan debtors are praying for the massive windfall handout, Joe Public will see this as a major problem.

But Bernie is talking about student loan debt, agree or disagree with him. He's one of the main reasons it's a thing in the Democratic primary, because he's been talking about it. It's stupid to claim Bernie specifically is not talking about relevant topics when he's driving discussions on things like student loan debt and health care.
 
What worked 20-30 years ago in Carville's heyday doesn't work now. This is the populist era. We need real left wing populists to counter the fake populists on the right. Dinosaurs like Carville don't get this.
"Dinosaurs like Carville" have seen it all. I guarantee you that he gets it just fine. He just disagrees with you.
 
But Bernie is talking about student loan debt, agree or disagree with him. He's one of the main reasons it's a thing in the Democratic primary, because he's been talking about it. It's stupid to claim Bernie specifically is not talking about relevant topics when he's driving discussions on things like student loan debt and health care.

Look, if Bern wins and erases my student loans I will celebrate. It's a windfall. The fact is, most the country doesn't see that as addressing the need of edu reform, It's buying votes that will cost the tax payer 1.3 trillion. Many of these voters already blame the students and others paid theirs off so will not agree. Then you have doctors and lawyers who make good money and get theirs forgiven??!! Lol, the American public will not agree. It's buying votes not addressing education reform
 
"Dinosaurs like Carville" have seen it all. I guarantee you that he gets it just fine. He just disagrees with you.
He thinks Hillary is more "electable" than Bernie, even though she fucking lost to a reality TV star and Bernie consistently polls higher against Trump. If we pick another establishment candidate against Trump and they get destroyed, he still won't get it. Trump was "unelectable" until he got fucking elected. These are the same idiots who convinced Warren to turn on Bernie and then she tanked. We don't just disagree. They are dead wrong about the electorate and what works these days.
 
But Bernie is talking about student loan debt, agree or disagree with him. He's one of the main reasons it's a thing in the Democratic primary, because he's been talking about it. It's stupid to claim Bernie specifically is not talking about relevant topics when he's driving discussions on things like student loan debt and health care.
He's not talking about it in any sensible way. His solution to everything is just throwing money at it, and most people are aware it's their money he's talking about.
 
He thinks Hillary is more "electable" than Bernie, even though she fucking lost to a reality TV star and Bernie consistently polls higher against Trump. If we pick another establishment candidate against Trump and they get destroyed, he still won't get it. Trump was "unelectable" until he got fucking elected. These are the same idiots who convinced Warren to turn on Bernie and then she tanked. We don't just disagree. They are dead wrong about the electorate and what works these days.

Just LMFAO at this guy. Perfect example of why the democrat party has imploded and is completely out of touch with reality.

James is a life long, career politician who is highly respected by his party. You are a nobody posting opinions on a karate forum, lol.
 
Uhh I think better healthcare, policies to address inequality, environmental regulations, more funding for education, and doing something about student loan debt are ideas that lots of people care about.

Bernie will do just fine in the general election.


Democrats can’t count the number of votes in a few gymnasiums, are you really so gullible as to believe they can fix all that?
 
Look at the student loan issue. For people with debt, it would be a windfall. Do you really see the general American public agreeing to pay off over a trillion in debt, many see as the fault of the debtors to begin with? While student loan debtors are praying for the massive windfall handout, Joe Public will see this as a major problem.
I think that's probably an inaccurate assessment. 1/6 (~16.7%) of Americans are carrying student loan debt.

25% of the population is under 18, so probably not in college. That leaves 75% of the population. Then assume that the 16.7% with debt probably have parents and living grandparents. And you're left with a pretty large percentage of the voting population that either has student loan debt or has a child with student loan debt. I find it hard to believe that large contingent of American voters would be hardcore against some kind of debt relief, either for themselves or their living lineal descendants.
 
I think there are always people that fall into the category, but I think having a “democratic socialist“ running against a guy like Donald Trump would likely leave more people scratching their head than ever.
Really? I find that odd given that Sanders is rated more favorably than Clinton.
 
I'm not sure I agree, however there is no way the democrats shouldve lost 2016 and shouldve taken more seats in 2018+ have a bigger poll lead on trump right now

So maybe hes seeing something that I'm missing
 
I think that's probably an inaccurate assessment. 1/6 (~16.7%) of Americans are carrying student loan debt.

25% of the population is under 18, so probably not in college. That leaves 75% of the population. Then assume that the 16.7% with debt probably have parents and living grandparents. And you're left with a pretty large percentage of the voting population that either has student loan debt or has a child with student loan debt. I find it hard to believe that large contingent of American voters would be hardcore against some kind of debt relief, either for themselves or their living lineal descendants.

I think it depends on who is receiving the debt relief. I am a supporter of safety net programs, and a believer that all Americans should have their most basic needs met.

But when I hear this talk about billions of dollars going towards forgiving college debt, it does not sit well with me. College debt is not the result of a basic need, it is an investment in your future. Those who cannot afford college should have programs available to them, but those who have more than enough money to pay for those loans should be doing so.

I know people who make 6-figure salaries who have been hoping and waiting for loan-forgiveness. Give me a break. Pay back your loan just like the rest of us. If you are earning a high-wage as a result of that investment that you made, then that investment has already paid itself off and the government owes you nothing.

What I am in favor of, is taking measures to ensure affordable college prices moving forward for all Americans. State college and community college tuition should be capped at a more reasonable amount, making it an option for anybody who has the interest and drive to get it done.

But there are people, like many of us here I'm sure, who worked very hard to pay off the investments that we've made in ourselves while many others acted like fools and made very little progress, even though nobody was holding them back but themselves. I am not in favor of bailing those people out with tax money that could be going to help those who are actually in need.
 
He thinks Hillary is more "electable" than Bernie, even though she fucking lost to a reality TV star and Bernie consistently polls higher against Trump. If we pick another establishment candidate against Trump and they get destroyed, he still won't get it. Trump was "unelectable" until he got fucking elected. These are the same idiots who convinced Warren to turn on Bernie and then she tanked. We don't just disagree. They are dead wrong about the electorate and what works these days.

Hillary got more votes than Trump and all told, only lost the election by like 20,000-30,000 votes split between 3 states in probably the second closest election in modern history behind Bush v Gore. Just because she didn't make it the last few inches over the finish line doesn't mean she's unelectable. I think it would even be fair to wager she'll end up having performed better against Trump than whoever ends up being the nominee this year.

She actually performed even better against Obama than anyone else did, and technically got more votes than he did in the primary. Hillary did better against Obama than Bernie did against Hillary.

She's very electable. The internet demographic isn't the only demographic.
 
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He thinks Hillary is more "electable" than Bernie, even though she fucking lost to a reality TV star and Bernie consistently polls higher against Trump. If we pick another establishment candidate against Trump and they get destroyed, he still won't get it. Trump was "unelectable" until he got fucking elected. These are the same idiots who convinced Warren to turn on Bernie and then she tanked. We don't just disagree. They are dead wrong about the electorate and what works these days.
Forgive me, I haven't heard this new one where the Deep State got to Liz. Seems ridiculous, because she was declining for quite a while before choosing to go after him, and she didn't even go after him that hard.

Carville thinking Hillary was more electable than Bernie is still not a known thing that we can say he was right or wrong about, because Bernie didn't run in the general election in 2016. Now that he's more famous, he's in a much better position and the question can't be answered effectively (in the affirmative) even if he gets the nomination and wins. Remember that Hillary beat Trump soundly in the popular vote, which is the very definition of being very electable, as Trump was extremely popular with the base of his party, yet she pulled more Independents (though the distribution of those people was not good for the election).

And of course we still don't know how America at large will react to a "socialist" running for president. It's an untested thing in the modern era. What happens after months and months of his ideology being demonized? He has some good things going for him and some bad ones, and we don't know how it will wash out. This is a typical Sanders fan mistake, to take that for granted.
 
I think it depends on who is receiving the debt relief. I am a supporter of safety net programs, and a believer that all Americans should have their most basic needs met.

But when I hear this talk about billions of dollars going towards forgiving college debt, it does not sit well with me. College debt is not the result of a basic need, it is an investment in your future. Those who cannot afford college should have programs available to them, but those who have more than enough money to pay for those loans should be doing so.

I know people who make 6-figure salaries who have been hoping and waiting for loan-forgiveness. Give me a break. Pay back your loan just like the rest of us. If you are earning a high-wage as a result of that investment that you made, then that investment has already paid itself off and the government owes you nothing.

What I am in favor of, is taking measures to ensure affordable college prices moving forward for all Americans. State college and community college tuition should be capped at a more reasonable amount, making it an option for anybody who has the interest and drive to get it done.

But there are people, like many of us here I'm sure, who worked very hard to pay off the investments that we've made in ourselves while many others acted like fools and made very little progress, even though nobody was holding them back but themselves. I am not in favor of bailing those people out with tax money that could be going to help those who are actually in need.
Well, this isn't the thread to hash out the pros and cons of student debt forgiveness. I was just pointing out that the subject touches more voters than he assumed.
 
Really? I find that odd given that Sanders is rated more favorably than Clinton.

I don't doubt that people are generally favorable about Sanders, and I think that many see him as being more likable than Hillary Clinton. But he lost to Hillary in the 2016 primaries, and had over 3.5 million fewer votes. That's all while seemingly half the country was running around making up conspiracy theories about Hillary Clinton being a mass murdering, pedo-ring operating, satan worshipper.
 
I don't doubt that people are generally favorable about Sanders, and I think that many see him as being more likable than Hillary Clinton. But he lost to Hillary in the 2016 primaries, and had over 3.5 million fewer votes. That's all while seemingly half the country was running around making up conspiracy theories about Hillary Clinton being a mass murdering, pedo-ring operating, satan worshipper.
Sure but people vote for all kinds of reasons. Its possible they voted for Clinton despite liking Sanders more due to the impression that Clinton was more electable. Your claim was that reasonable people would be alienated by Sanders but I think that's an odd thing to suggest when he's more popular than she is. They may not have faith in his chances but I doubt he'd be as alienating as the Ice Queen.
 
Just LMFAO at this guy. Perfect example of why the democrat party has imploded and is completely out of touch with reality.

James is a life long, career politician who is highly respected by his party. You are a nobody posting opinions on a karate forum, lol.
Eat a dick, new guy. And the message is either right or wrong, doesn't matter who's delivering it. If Carville tells you that the sky is red and I say it's blue, I'm still right, despite his credentials. Look, I'll give Carville credit for what he's done in the past and he has a cool accent and all that, but if he's giving politicians the same advice he gave them 20-30 years ago, then he's doing them a disservice. The game done changed.
 
Forgive me, I haven't heard this new one where the Deep State got to Liz. Seems ridiculous, because she was declining for quite a while before choosing to go after him, and she didn't even go after him that hard.

Carville thinking Hillary was more electable than Bernie is still not a known thing that we can say he was right or wrong about, because Bernie didn't run in the general election in 2016. Now that he's more famous, he's in a much better position and the question can't be answered effectively (in the affirmative) even if he gets the nomination and wins. Remember that Hillary beat Trump soundly in the popular vote, which is the very definition of being very electable, as Trump was extremely popular with the base of his party, yet she pulled more Independents (though the distribution of those people was not good for the election).

And of course we still don't know how America at large will react to a "socialist" running for president. It's an untested thing in the modern era. What happens after months and months of his ideology being demonized? He has some good things going for him and some bad ones, and we don't know how it will wash out. This is a typical Sanders fan mistake, to take that for granted.
You can fuck right off with the disingenuous "deep state" shit. I didn't say that. I'm saying she listened to political advisers like Carville and it tanked her campaign and credibility. Same idiots who gave Hillary such "winning" advice.
 
You can fuck right off with the disingenuous "deep state" shit. I didn't say that. I'm saying she listened to political advisers like Carville and it tanked her campaign and credibility. Same idiots who gave Hillary such "winning" advice.
You dodged the whole post by copping out over my sarcasm. Your pussy hurting this morning?
 
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