Jack Johnson vs 2000s hws

Discussion in 'Boxing Discussion' started by revoltub, Nov 27, 2019.

  1. revoltub

    revoltub Acting Manager

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2016
    Messages:
    14,364
    Likes Received:
    22,604
    Location:
    parts unknown
    Klitchko
    Sultan imbragimov
    Chagaev
    Haye
    Brock
    Sam Peter
    Etc etc

    How does he do....stipulation though....you can hold and hit like in Jacks day.
     
    Fluffernutter likes this.
  2. Seano

    Seano Hands of bone

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2005
    Messages:
    109,264
    Likes Received:
    45,810
    Location:
    the sticks
    Depends on who his promoter could buy off.
     
    revoltub likes this.
  3. revoltub

    revoltub Acting Manager

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2016
    Messages:
    14,364
    Likes Received:
    22,604
    Location:
    parts unknown
    His promoter is goldenboy
     
  4. crystallake

    crystallake Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2012
    Messages:
    1,774
    Likes Received:
    1,506
    Location:
    Germany
    Depends if its modern day or johnson era rules.
     
    revoltub likes this.
  5. revoltub

    revoltub Acting Manager

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2016
    Messages:
    14,364
    Likes Received:
    22,604
    Location:
    parts unknown
    Johnson era
     
    hiphopnazi likes this.
  6. defjaam

    defjaam Beltless

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2018
    Messages:
    1,383
    Likes Received:
    1,963
    If the fights take place in black & white footage, Johnson beats everybody... If its in HD, its a whole different story.
     
    Mendacious and revoltub like this.
  7. ccm22

    ccm22 Green Belt

    Joined:
    May 6, 2017
    Messages:
    1,220
    Likes Received:
    805
    2000s heavyweights.
     
    revoltub likes this.
  8. Confucamus

    Confucamus Last of the V8s Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2008
    Messages:
    10,867
    Likes Received:
    5,379
    Location:
    Beantown
    Who knows? I don't think a lot of that old school boxing style would work as well now a days. There are some basics of boxing that are time tested and proven, but I think the sport has evolved very much since the 20s and 30s.
     
    revoltub and sweetviolenturg like this.
  9. Yacob

    Yacob WBC Interim Junior Welterweight White Truffle Belt Yellow Card

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2019
    Messages:
    6,075
    Likes Received:
    14,495
    Location:
    Maine
    Jack's physical strength and clinchwork would probably cause some level of issue under these rules but Jack was champion 120 years ago, who knows if he could even box at a distance, i just remember a lot of inside fighting from his tapes.....someone like David Haye or Wlad would pick him apart.

    An average sized heavyweight who fights inside would be a good fight but anyone who fights off their jab probably buries Johnson in his tracks
     
  10. sweetviolenturg

    sweetviolenturg Black Belt Professional Fighter

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2015
    Messages:
    5,261
    Likes Received:
    11,034
    Location:
    Sedona, AZ
    Jack Johnson was a physical specimen & a great fighter for his time but the skillsets plied by fighters back then were pretty archaic IMO. Sure, it's sometimes tough to judge how good ( or bad for that matter ) the fighters of that era were based on those old herky-jerky films that they made back then but I don't think Johnson does well in any modern era.
    Although he went by the ring moniker of "The Galveston Giant", Jackson was only a bit more than six feet tall, weighed a shade over 200 lbs for his biggest fights & only had a 74" reach. So, he'd have been outsized by most of the modern era heavies. And although he was portrayed in the press as some sort of a wrecking machine during his era he actually only scored 35 KOs in his 78 fights. So, he wasn't a massive puncher. Therefore he'd have to rely on his boxing skills against modern era heavies & I'm sorry, but they just hold up to my eye.
    So, with a nod of respect to a great pioneer of the sport, I say that he'd get crushed against modern fighters.
     
    revoltub and Yacob like this.
  11. Yacob

    Yacob WBC Interim Junior Welterweight White Truffle Belt Yellow Card

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2019
    Messages:
    6,075
    Likes Received:
    14,495
    Location:
    Maine
    I think he could have ko'd most if not all of those guys if he thought it mattered.

    Old baseball players used to say they'd have stolen more bases and swung for the fences more if they knew that shit would be "the standard" they're judged on.

    I don't think Jack really gave a shit....he seemed to enjoy slowly breaking people over the course of a ridiculously long fight
     
    revoltub likes this.
  12. pwforgotlolol

    pwforgotlolol Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2019
    Messages:
    419
    Likes Received:
    437
    i googeld jack johnson

    {<huh}

    [​IMG]
     
    revoltub likes this.
  13. Yacob

    Yacob WBC Interim Junior Welterweight White Truffle Belt Yellow Card

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2019
    Messages:
    6,075
    Likes Received:
    14,495
    Location:
    Maine
    Back to white belt status for you

    tenor (6).gif
     
    wilKO, Badr Hari, The HAMA and 2 others like this.
  14. pwforgotlolol

    pwforgotlolol Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2019
    Messages:
    419
    Likes Received:
    437
    The HAMA, revoltub and Yacob like this.
  15. Fluffernutter

    Fluffernutter Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2008
    Messages:
    10,232
    Likes Received:
    10,458
    Jack Johnson = 185 lbs John Ruiz.
     
    revoltub likes this.
  16. KAZSoliloquy

    KAZSoliloquy Look at the state of his face

    Joined:
    May 8, 2011
    Messages:
    25,821
    Likes Received:
    3,362
    gets smoked in 2 by lamon brewster
     
    Fluffernutter likes this.
  17. Fluffernutter

    Fluffernutter Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2008
    Messages:
    10,232
    Likes Received:
    10,458
    Brewster is underrated
     
    revoltub likes this.
  18. DeJulez

    DeJulez Broner Brodie

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2014
    Messages:
    11,955
    Likes Received:
    9,558
    Jack was champ from 1908-1915ish. Little before the 20s and 30s
     
    revoltub likes this.
  19. Ultra O’Dia

    Ultra O’Dia Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2017
    Messages:
    3,459
    Likes Received:
    5,084
    i dont know, but, looking through his record, there were some big dudes fighting back then. Bigger than i think people realize. Sure there were 190lbrs fighting heavyweight, but Jack was 225 vs the 240lb Jess Willard, and Jeffries was 220ish, too, and built like a tank.

    It hasnt changed as much as people think. Stylistically it sure has, though.

    There are more tall guys who actually arent lumbering idiots nowadays, but, even then, they are beatable by the 220lbr squad.

    Tyson, Holyfield, Ali, Frazier, Wilder, Foreman, all could fight these ‘giants’, many of whom are carrying extra weight to be anything over 240 anyways.

    id say boxing wasnt developed enough for Johnson to really hang today, but its less due to super evolution and more due to a sport being in its infancy.
     
    revoltub likes this.
  20. Dr. Now

    Dr. Now Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2019
    Messages:
    142
    Likes Received:
    114
    i think Klit would pound his face over and over until eventually, he dies because boxers back then didnt give up easy.
     
    revoltub likes this.

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.