Izzy-Pereira 4 is being framed in overly simplistic terms

You make an interesting point and I have seen the expression used similarly to how you described it. But it seems to me to be more commonly used to describe a scenario where one athlete or team can be reliably expected to beat the other based on previous head-to-head results.
Those two explanations work in tandem; they're not mutually exclusive.
 
Israel is the betting favorite going into this fight so plenty of people think Israel can/will win.
 
First fight was clearly Alex’s not sure why it’s people keep saying Izzy won. Then you’re argument is that Izzy hurt him before he knocked out Izzy stiff lol. The only reason Izzy wobbled Alex in the 3rd fight was obviously because the bell rang and Alex dropped his hands.

Yeah he’s hurt Alex but has not beaten Alex in 3 fights. That proves Alex is the better fighter when all you have to go off of is the couple moments Izzy had in 3 fights he lost.

He wobbled him clearly before the bell. Not one punch landed after the bell.
 
Alex got his number.
He is too tough for Izzy.
All the other reasons don’t matter.
 
I agree, I think they are much more closely matched than the 3-0 would indicate. I think Izzy very much capable of beating Pereira. I think it’s a near coin toss when they step in there, not inconceivable to still have lopsided results with near 50/50 odds. And before somebody calls me an Izzy fan, I can’t stand the guy.

Sums up my view precisely.
 
TS makes good points about the fight - why do you think Alex is that much of better person than Izzy?

I get that he is a bit cringe and could also be perceived as arrogant but he's not exactly Conor getting constant assault allegations or saying really shitty things about families or whatever.

To be fair, I said he is more likeable. I can't say he is a better person.

My distaste for Izzy basically boils down to various manifestations of narcissism. Alex might be a cruel person in his private life while Izzy is kind and generous person for all we know so I won't make any pronouncements on who is a better person. Also just speaking about Izzy's public persona when it comes to "likeability."
 
First off, I am not an Izzy fan and I believe Pereira is the infinitely more likeable human being. I am rooting for Alex 100%.

I know some people have a very hard time overlooking that the record on paper is 0-3. The idea that Alex has Izzy's number and is the clearly superior striker is an obvious conclusion. But let's look at the bare facts of their previous matchups.

First fight: The consensus is that it was a close competitive decision that could have gone to Izzy without controversy.

Second fight: Pereira got a standing 8-count before the knockout victory. The referee stepped in as he was taking damage to determine if he could safely continue which gave him time to recover and compose himself. He didn't look terribly hurt to me but the momentum was clearly in Izzy's favour before the intervention.

Third fight: Adesanya badly hurt Alex at the end of the first round. Pereira does not dispute that he was badly hurt. Credit it to him for his honesty and for recovering well enough to win the following round. Israel was up on the scorecards before the fifth round finish.


Reasonable observers can safely conclude that Izzy is entirely capable of badly hurting Alex on the feet and that he is capable of doing it before Alex gets to him. None of the fights transpired the same way so confident predictions about how Alex has Izzy's number are simplistic. There is also the fact that they have only fought MMA once. We can already see with the standing 8 count that there is a disconnect between kickboxing and MMA.

As an aside, this fight reminds me of Wanderlei vs Rampage. Obviously Wanderlei was washed in their trilogy fight but after he beat Rampage twice people spoke as though he had his number. Meanwhile Rampage fought Liddell the night of their first fight while Wanderlei fought Yoshida. And the ref stood them up when Rampage was beating him up on the ground in their second fight. But fans were acting like he had Rampage's number. He was 2-0, you see. Again, the trilogy didn't prove much but my point is that there is more to just the numbers.

Well said, all three fights were very close. I just made a re-watch thread if you or anyone else is interested in see the full fights:
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...el-adesanya-rivalry-all-three-fights.4286255/
 
Just like the 3rd fight was being framed in overly simplistic terms.

Alex was clearly winning the 1st and would have gotten it had he not gotten complacent and taken that shot at the END of the round.

Came back won the 2nd

Lost 3-4 because of control on the ground

That said, he had out landed Izzy like around 117 - 103 going into the fifth. All people saw were the few head shots izzy was landing, the movement and the ground control which won him rounds.

What the overwhelming majority didn't see or won't see is that Alex was winning the unappreciated fight - landing leg kicks, killing the body with punches and knees while negating on of Izzy's primary weapons by checking the leg kicks coming his way.

All three fights were close and this fourth will no doubt be much of the same for as long as it lasts.
 
Bro he’s 0-3 against him. He’s only had like 2 good moments against Alex in 3 fights. He was winning until he lost is the dumbest argument ever especially losing 3 fights against him. Alex has finished him twice ffs

Nice straw man argument. I literally didn’t argue anything you said.
 
First off, I am not an Izzy fan and I believe Pereira is the infinitely more likeable human being. I am rooting for Alex 100%.

I know some people have a very hard time overlooking that the record on paper is 0-3. The idea that Alex has Izzy's number and is the clearly superior striker is an obvious conclusion. But let's look at the bare facts of their previous matchups.

First fight: The consensus is that it was a close competitive decision that could have gone to Izzy without controversy.

Second fight: Pereira got a standing 8-count before the knockout victory. The referee stepped in as he was taking damage to determine if he could safely continue which gave him time to recover and compose himself. He didn't look terribly hurt to me but the momentum was clearly in Izzy's favour before the intervention.

Third fight: Adesanya badly hurt Alex at the end of the first round. Pereira does not dispute that he was badly hurt. Credit it to him for his honesty and for recovering well enough to win the following round. Israel was up on the scorecards before the fifth round finish.


Reasonable observers can safely conclude that Izzy is entirely capable of badly hurting Alex on the feet and that he is capable of doing it before Alex gets to him. None of the fights transpired the same way so confident predictions about how Alex has Izzy's number are simplistic. There is also the fact that they have only fought MMA once. We can already see with the standing 8 count that there is a disconnect between kickboxing and MMA.

As an aside, this fight reminds me of Wanderlei vs Rampage. Obviously Wanderlei was washed in their trilogy fight but after he beat Rampage twice people spoke as though he had his number. Meanwhile Rampage fought Liddell the night of their first fight while Wanderlei fought Yoshida. And the ref stood them up when Rampage was beating him up on the ground in their second fight. But fans were acting like he had Rampage's number. He was 2-0, you see. Again, the trilogy didn't prove much but my point is that there is more to just the numbers.

lmao everyone knows this - that's why most of the bets are going on Izzy - and trust me people also know Izzy is "0-3" - and Izzy is still the favourite

Everyone knows this but this echo chamber of stupidity called sherdog.

No surprise the shertards prefer to look at things on overly simplistic terms, all you need to read is a few posts and see in most cases the IQ level is well, single digit. - for example look at that guy @Izzysexboyfriend or @GordoBarraBJJ posts - classic examples of this. IQ not high enough to understand anything beyond "3-0". Trying to discuss the dynamics of how the rounds played out etc would be like trying to talk rocket science to a brick
 
This is like the 50th thread in last month about how the 0-3 record is misleading

also page was a heavy favorite going into the third fight. Not many expected wand to win at that stage
 
lmao everyone knows this - that's why most of the bets are going on Izzy - and trust me people also know Izzy is "0-3" - and Izzy is still the favourite

Everyone knows this but this echo chamber of stupidity called sherdog.

No surprise the shertards prefer to look at things on overly simplistic terms, all you need to read is a few posts and see in most cases the IQ level is well, single digit.

ODDS: Adesanya (-130), Pereira (+110)


Those are basically even, mate.
 
ODDS: Adesanya (-130), Pereira (+110)


Those are basically even, mate.

thanks, I love it, it keeps getting better and better.

-130 means bet $130 to win $100. (230/130) - 1 = 77%

+110, bet $100 to win $110. (210/100) - 1 = 110%

Periera is paying out 43% more than Alex

"basically even"

Shertards, never fail to surprise me.
 
thanks, I love it, it keeps getting better and better.

-130 means bet $130 to win $100. (230/130) - 1 = 77%

+110, bet $100 to win $110. (210/100) - 1 = 110%

Periera is paying out 43% more than Alex

"basically even"

Shertards, never fail to surprise me.

I think you failed statistics mate.
 
This is like the 50th thread in last month about how the 0-3 record is misleading

also page was a heavy favorite going into the third fight. Not many expected wand to win at that stage

Fair enough. Just had to get it off my chest. I didn't see those threads and have been losing my mind from what I have been reading and seeing here and elsewhere.

Rampage was the favourite because Wanderlei had visibly declined and was 1-3 in his last 4. People still thought Wanderlei had the stylistic edge before his chin and drug testing became a concern. Funny to think that pre-USADA drug testing was considered (and possibly was) a big factor for some PRIDE guys.
 
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