That's ridiculous Herb admitted in the cage he didn't see the thumb off the hand he literally checked,lol. He claims he wants to see the thumbs more enthusiastically like a " hey buddy good job". I don't know why people by his bullshit.I think the apologizing in the cage was the bullshit...when the heat of the moment passes and you review your decision without Robbie Lawler screaming at you, the reality sets in...