Ive Come To The Conclusion

[sickboy609]

at work, it is kind of fun because they know I train BJJ but they simply have no idea that we do not strike.

all they can remember is watching some guy walking down to the cage while hearing something about a BJJ BB!

Yeah I feel you on this my friends who live a little ways from me we were hanging out at a bar and of course the drunk guy with the tapout hat challenges me says "I bet $200 says I KO you in under 2 mins" I pulled out $200 and said you're probably right here, and my buddy's were all wondering why, I said I don't train striking just grappling and throws plus I'm not going to go outside and fight this dude at a bar, that's just retarded, all of them really had no idea what BJJ and Judo were, I guess it is what it is

 

[lethalweapon]

I guess what I am sayin is I love mma. The only reason I started doing BJJ is because it was a part of mma.

I guess when you say you train MMA, you're looking at the bigger picture and not getting caught up in a BJJ mindset, hence the competitive side?

 

[dza76wutang]

I got into BJJ cuz I wanted to do leg locks, but I've come to enjoy all of it, not just the leglocks.

/cool story bro.

 

[teamcarvalho]

Yeah I feel you on this my friends who live a little ways from me we were hanging out at a bar and of course the drunk guy with the tapout hat challenges me says "I bet $200 says I KO you in under 2 mins" I pulled out $200 and said you're probably right here, and my buddy's were all wondering why, I said I don't train striking just grappling and throws plus I'm not going to go outside and fight this dude at a bar, that's just retarded, all of them really had no idea what BJJ and Judo were, I guess it is what it is

You are not even taught how to strike on the ground....BJJ does have strikes...watch old Vale-Tudo fights.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Pfffff...............

Lol @ quitting BJJ beign such a taboo around here.

I myself started grappling by doing some BJJ by I slowly drifted away from it because I much prefered judo and wrestling. What's wrong with someone not finding BJJ the hottest shit on earth and not liking "the lifestyle" ??? Whatever floats his boat, jeeeeez.
You guys can be pathetic.

 

[newerest]

Yeah I feel you on this my friends who live a little ways from me we were hanging out at a bar and of course the drunk guy with the tapout hat challenges me says "I bet $200 says I KO you in under 2 mins" I pulled out $200 and said you're probably right here, and my buddy's were all wondering why, I said I don't train striking just grappling and throws plus I'm not going to go outside and fight this dude at a bar, that's just retarded, all of them really had no idea what BJJ and Judo were, I guess it is what it is

fuck that I wouldn't have given him shit

if anything the luckiest that he would get is that I told him I train mma and that he should find someone else (of course in a tone that isn't trying to threaten him)

if it came down to it I'd fuck his world up.

/internet tough guy

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

WOW! Someone starts a thread, I quit wrasslin or Judo to do BJJ, its all good welcome aboard. Someone says the opposite...LOOK OUT!

You guys are a riot. Like Redaxe said there have been multiple posts about why people quit the art and here is one person with one reason. For example: http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f12/bjj-drop-out-percentage-1173150/

Maybe sparring with guys that use an inverted-half-rubber-monkey steals the peach-tea bag guard does not feel like a practical "fighting" art for him.

Maybe he does not like a gi.

Maybe he likes sprawl and brawl.

But Geez guys, many of you are worshippers.

^^^^
Wholy sh!t exactly my thought but didn't read the whole thread.

 

[Drew Foster]

what politics do you have at your gym?

I don't know if that was a genuine question or sarcasm or disbelief, but I have found a lot of politics in every gym I've ever been in with every martial art I've ever done.

 

[Drew Foster]

I can kind of see what the OP is saying. BJJ does run the danger of becoming the next Judo, in terms of becoming almost excusively a sport, rather than a combat style. It's important that BJJ retain the self-defense aspects and hard rolling. We already see "point" grapplers who only care about points and not submissions or have little desire to test their skills in a mixed format. BJJ must continue to be used, tested, and refined against other forms of combat to stay relevant..

Yea but as long as BJJ remains such an integral part of MMA, I doubt it will ever go as far away from its roots as Judo has.

 

[Drew Foster]

Strange. Since it is combat and all.

I agree and disagree.

You are definitely in danger and guys are threatening the safety of your limbs, neck, and consciousness. In that sense, it's combative, but not as combative as MMA. Even though boxing is one dimensional too, in that it ignores the ground as BJJ ignores the strikes, it could also be considered more combative than BJJ. I know that's very arguable, but lots of people die from boxing every year. It's really a dangerous and very intense sport. But then again, MMA isn't as combative as actual combat in the military sense.

So, I think arguing what's combat at what isn't is an exercise in futility, just like arguing what is a sport and what isn't. Some people say NASCAR is for example, and some say it isn't. Everyone agrees Basketball is though.

Everyone agrees actual combat in war is combat. But I sometimes even have a problem with people (Gabe Rudiger) comparing being an MMA fighter to being a solider. Fighters and even some regular people have the warrior spirit, and I think that's a real thing that does exist. There are warriors in life that fight through crazy shit everyday that aren't necessarily soldiers. Sometimes when I hear MMA fighters being called warriors it annoys me though.

I'm rambling at this point, but that's because it's just so hard to define combat and all that. Maybe I just proved my own point? It's also not what the thread was based on so whatever. Sorry for hijacking.

 

[armtriangle]

^^ I think bjj competition is as close to a "real fight" as boxing in terms of application. But in bjj you have the tap... You can pretty much opt out of going to sleep. In boxing, there is a guy trying to punch you into unconsciousness and you can't really opt out of it.

So I think the tap is what makes bjj less "combat" and more sport.

That said, bjj > boxing and all other forms of combat arts. People knock bjj now, but it is still the very best stand alone style...

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

That said, bjj > boxing and all other forms of combat arts. People knock bjj now, but it is still the very best stand alone style...

my God based on what.... This is so stupid and arbitrary. U trollin' right ?

 

[Drew Foster]

Oh, come on. Saying that BJJ doesn't teach throws is like saying that Judo doesn't teach armbars. Of course BJJ teaches throws, we just choose to put greater emphasis on other aspects of grappling. Grappling is so broad and complex that you can't be awesome at everything, you have to specialize at least a little bit.

Absolutely! Perfect analogy.

 

[sickboy609]

You are not even taught how to strike on the ground....BJJ does have strikes...watch old Vale-Tudo fights.

I hear you brotha, I was just making the point that people usually mistake BJJ, Judo, etc for MMA that's all

 

[fourfif**]

^^ I think bjj competition is as close to a "real fight" as boxing in terms of application. But in bjj you have the tap... You can pretty much opt out of going to sleep. In boxing, there is a guy trying to punch you into unconsciousness and you can't really opt out of it.

So I think the tap is what makes bjj less "combat" and more sport.

That said, bjj > boxing and all other forms of combat arts. People knock bjj now, but it is still the very best stand alone style...

agreed with everything except the last line.

I train both, and Judo, ftw.

 

[fourfif**]

my God based on what.... This is so stupid and arbitrary. U trollin' right ?

Maybe, lightweight trolling, but people are free to have their opinions. He loves his art. I just love grappling, and have done bjj, judo, wrestling. For fighting, Judo/Wrestling with just a smidgen of BJJ and you're gold. Just my opinion.

 

[Gabicho]

I understand TS.
I'm currently training BJJ, but not because i love BJJ.
I'm training BJJ because i was left without a sambo instructor. Combat sambo is my one true love, and it will stay that way. I took BJJ because it's the most specialized form of groundfighting there is and it can only be helpful for that part of my game.
However, there's stuff i don't enjoy in BJJ, like the point scoring system and the forbidden submissions, some guards that are effective only for grappling and to some extent, the belt ranking system.
I'm certain that i'll drop out of BJJ as a mid-blue or maybe a purple and get back to judo and wrestling and kickboxing (which added up, makes combat sambo).

P.D. Local joke: in combat sambo, we call the X-guard the "Jesus guard": If striking was involved, and you used x-guard you'd end up looking like Jesus because of the amount of punishment you'd take without giving any of it back.(Don't take the joke too seriously though. Show any person who can throw a kick or a punch X-guard for the first time and they'll laugh too.)

 

[armtriangle]

agreed with everything except the last line.

I train both, and Judo, ftw.

I train both also, though the Judo we practice is based on bjj competition and self defense, so it is judo without all the sillyness.

I could agree with Judo or submission wrestling, but I just think that bjj bjj succeeds where they fail is in the dynamism of the art. If a bjj player can't get top position, he still has a lot of outs, dive for the legs pull guard, just sit down and refuse to engage. Most judoka and catch wrestlers are much more focused on top position. So a pure wrestler with no cross training will still give a lot of judo guys major problems. Of course, there are exceptions. People will knock the lack of takedowns in bjj, but the guard pull is totally viable against almost anyone.

Still, you can make a nice argument for judo because of the damage you can inflict on the throw. And because the lack of guardwork does vary among judo players. Though I am yet to meet a pure judo player that has the guard of a purple belt. I keep hearing there are some really good judo grapplers though... just haven't run into one yet, despite rolling with some national level judo talent.

I won't even discuss boxing/MT/kickboxing because we all know grappling > striking.

 

[ShindoNinja]

^^
So I think the tap is what makes bjj less "combat" and more sport.

That said, bjj > boxing and all other forms of combat arts. People knock bjj now, but it is still the very best stand alone style...

I dunno bro, I'd rather clock someone quick and hard and have a street fight be done than have to finish it on the pavement. I love BJJ and all grappling, but you can't say it's the best stand alone style. BJJ is the best back up plan. If you are in the worst possible situation, then BJJ is what you need. There are better ways to defend yourself though.

 

[armtriangle]

Maybe, lightweight trolling, but people are free to have their opinions. He loves his art. I just love grappling, and have done bjj, judo, wrestling. For fighting, Judo/Wrestling with just a smidgen of BJJ and you're gold. Just my opinion.

Yeah, just trolling a little. Its clearly an opinion, but I think a very defensible one.

I see it as the reverse... having wrestled my whole life (in college, and even coached HS wrestling) done judo for a little while, and trained "mma" at at college MMA club... I still got my ass handed to be when I started training in pure bjj at a legit school. I thought I was going to give everyone trouble, including the 250# bb instructor. But I got horribly schooled. If I started from a bottom position, I really got schooled.

So now I think for fighting, a lot of bjj + a little wrestling/judo and youre golden. After all, an untrained guy can tackle 99% of the population, inlcuding your boxers and MT specialists. Or they will tackle you.