Ive Come To The Conclusion

[knoxpk]

Probably a little of both, depending on the school. I mean there are some crazy good grapplers out there teaching MMA, but there are also some very poor grapplers teaching it.

Also when you have to mix kickboxing, wrestling and jiu-jitsu together, it's pretty hard to go into an adequate level of detail in each one of them, especially in a single class. You have to train all three of those for MMA, but it's best to train the different styles separately, and to "major" in one while "minoring" in the other two. In an MMA gym there will be a lot of guys who focus on kickboxing or wrestling rather than jiu-jitsu, so you might be able to tap them on the ground pretty easily if you're one of the guys who focuses on jiu-jitsu more.

So you just can't expect all the guys at an MMA gym to be at the same level in their jiu-jitsu as you could expect from the guys at a pure BJJ gym. That might explain why the guy is suddenly tapping people left and right now that he switched from a BJJ to an MMA gym.

THANKS

I think he is saying that in an MMA school they are covering different topics...boxing, Muay Thai, wrestling, and BJJ. So you don't spend all you time on just one topic therefore you can't be really good at BJJ if you spend your time on other things.

I think that is what he meant.....:redface:

THANKS

deff agree with that.

although do you think the grappling training in a pure BJJ school is as effective / well suited for MMA compared to a school that trains solely for MMA?

Maybe.


I am of the opinion if you can wrestle or Judo and play BJJ (even defensively) you can be decent at both.

Having take down and control ability AND being able to recognize and resist sweeps (and subs) will serve you well in a fight, MMA or grappling event.

All kinds make good MMA fighters and by proxy prolly good self defense fighters.

You can be GREAT at BJJ, Boxing or Wrestling and be SHIT at self defense or MMA.

The point is being capable in all ranges, which is what OP was talking about from the start IMO.

For instance Andy Wang, BB in BJJ under John Lewis, cannot fight his way out of a paper bag (IMO) and pretty much any hammer house fighter (top level wrestlers) can be submitted at will(IMO)!!!!!!!!!

Either way for fighting or MMA Ithink it is better to have a balance. Specialty is good when you have the chance to be a specialist!

 

[hughes fan]

I actually love grappling a lot more than I do stand up because of all the little details and the freedom and flow that it provides. It is also much newer, having watched boxing for years before realising the UFC and then MMA existed.

 

[Solidus Snake]

I actually start the other way round... I loved MMA and the tought of doing something very good for self defense; and while I think that Bjj IS actually good for self defense, both this previous reasons disappeared shortly, now I don't care about MMA or SD, I'm just... how can I say? Above this, I love Bjj for what it is and I would never switch to something else.

 

[Mike Wilson Jr.]

Am i the only one who can appreciate both, the sport side of Jiu Jitsu, with the GI, and the MMA/Vale Tudo side of NOGI BJJ?

Which mixes in striking, and MORE wrestling than we already do.

WOW! Someone starts a thread, I quit wrasslin or Judo to do BJJ, its all good welcome aboard. Someone says the opposite...LOOK OUT!

You guys are a riot. Like Redaxe said there have been multiple posts about why people quit the art and here is one person with one reason. For example: http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f12/bjj-drop-out-percentage-1173150/

Maybe sparring with guys that use an inverted-half-rubber-monkey steals the peach-tea bag guard does not feel like a practical "fighting" art for him.

Maybe he does not like a gi.

Maybe he likes sprawl and brawl.

But Geez guys, many of you are worshippers.

But why you mad though? :icon_chee

 

[teamcarvalho]

Am i the only one who can appreciate both, the sport side of Jiu Jitsu, with the GI, and the MMA/Vale Tudo side of NOGI BJJ?

Which mixes in striking, and MORE wrestling than we already do.

No there are others.....I also do the self defense side of it as well.

 

[lechien]

Am i the only one who can appreciate both, the sport side of Jiu Jitsu, with the GI, and the MMA/Vale Tudo side of NOGI BJJ?

Which mixes in striking, and MORE wrestling than we already do.



But why you mad though? :icon_chee

I am pretty sure that not everyone has such similar program as your BTT club.

I actually almost train more without GI than Gi nowdays!

1 x Nogi, 1 X Gi, 2 X MMA, 1 x Gi open mats.

I feel a change in the force.

 

[Cachimbo]

Jesus Christ you people are crazy. Almost all of you.

I for one welcome this post. It's interesting and BJJ relevant. Why the fuck freak out because someone doesn't like BJJ? Do you people beat up anyone who doesn't like the same kind of food or fashion, too?

Also, I train takedowns during virtually every class in my school, sparring included. We only spend about 10-20 minutes out of an hour on that, but we still do it. But crazy as it may seem, BJJ is mainly about the ground game, so it doesn't seem so weird that we don't mainly focus on takedowns.

Also, I feel perfectly comfortable that I could win a fight with BJJ on the street. It may seem absurd, but even though I grapple I still know how to eye gouge, headbutt, and kick someone's balls. I didn't forget how to do all that stuff, I don't know how! You know, since if you don't train for it you can't do it.

And I know plenty of wrestlers and judokas that would absolutely rape me in a fight, so I really don't see how BJJ is some kind of magical solution for everything.

Anyways, in response to your original question, I love bjj more than I ever imagined I would. But I see how someone may not like it.

Edit: Style vs. Style is fucking dead people. And like it or not, BJJ ended it. Brock Lesnar arm triangled someone the other day, werdum triangled some other dude, demian maia used half guard to control sonnen, and hermes franca gets constantly dominated by wrestlers with sub defense. My classes are full of judo and wrestling, because anyone who doesn't know takedowns, subs, and striking is getting raped in mma.

 

[ILikeBread]

Thank you. Someone who understands without sounding like a BJJ nutthugger douche who is lookin to up his post count. I dont like the GI. I dont like all of the unrealistic positions that are not practical for a real fight. I like the fact that I train all phases of combat and have more more fun without being pressured into paying a couple hundred dollars for a single elimination tourney. O and I pay 30 dollars less a month because I am not paying for the outdated rep that BJJ is the best art on the planet.

What you call ineffective, seems to be working for a lot of guys. Demian Maia, Jacare, and Roger are all sport BJJ guys who are showing just how effective sport jiu jitsu is in MMA. There are certain techniques that need to be disregarded, sure, but it's still a very effective system for fighting.

 

[206warrior]

uh... I started BJJ after seeing MMA matches.

But to this day, I enjoy BJJ much more than MMA, though I do a bit of sambo to help out my game.

you go to sea-town sambo?

 

[lechien]

TS reminds me that guy that came to the academy one day.

He just told the instructor that he only wanted to do the UFC stuff...He did not want to wear a gi and roll around learning how to pass the guard.

 

[thegreenblender]

TS reminds me that guy that came to the academy one day.

He just told the instructor that he only wanted to do the UFC stuff...He did not want to wear a gi and roll around learning how to pass the guard.

O M G.

Thanks, TUF. Thanks a lot. Now every queer with a pulse thinks that all there is to it is going in there and scrapping.

 

[lechien]

O M G.

Thanks, TUF. Thanks a lot. Now every queer with a pulse thinks that all there is to it is going in there and scrapping.

at work, it is kind of fun because they know I train BJJ but they simply have no idea that we do not strike.

all they can remember is watching some guy walking down to the cage while hearing something about a BJJ BB!

 

[thegreenblender]

Yah, MMA has really shone a light on the ignorance in some people. If you do BJJ, apparently you have fightclub in your basement and moonlight as a cagefighter. Have any of these people ever thought that everyone who who does dance is like Dirty Dancing or Saturday Night Fever? Or that all cops are like Lethal Weapon?

I can think of few things more retarded and annoying than telling someone I do BJJ, and watching their brow furrow in concentration as they try to imagine the mild person before them beating people to a pulp in a chained pit.

 

[thegreenblender]

The other one is, everyone who has "thought about fighting" because they are certain that with a little training, their ferocious killer instinct would make them a contender.

No one thinks this way about boxing. They take one look, and know they would be killed. But they look at MMA and see it as some kind of random mess, where any gnarly guy with a mohawk has a chance. It's such a joke.

 

[judogido]

A purple-belt friend I know quit BJJ for muay-thai because she was tired of grappling and (in her own words) "just want to punch people in the face".

Grappling is not for everyone. I'm a bit bored with judo so I'm doing BJJ and MMA and having a great time.

You have to question if the TS just left because things were getting a bit tough and he was out of the "honeymoon period" though. You get to a point where "just a beginner" is no longer an excuse and you realise it takes a lot of work to become more proficient.

The "honeymoon syndrome" is what I see most in judo, BJJ and MMA.

 

[BWC]

I don't think it's bad to like MMA over pure BJJ. At my school I participate in classes in pure Muay Thai and BJJ along with an "MMA" class that drills wrestling style takedowns, rolling with striking, and clinches against the wall. etc.

I like the MMA class the best because it's the most intense and "real-fight"-esque, but I can certainly appreciate the classes that work only on BJJ or MT. I would never train in
ONLY MMA. That's never going to make you into a good all-around fighter. The detail of each field simply can't be addressed in a consilidated class. And I certainly can appreciate grappling and MT in their own right as I love watching BJJ tournaments and LOVE K1.

Training MMA is primarily useful for training takedowns and takedown defense from standing and developing cardio..

 

[BruceOnJuice]

Sorry you don't like BJJ, it's not for everyone. I am happy you found something you do like though. Are you planning on competing in MMA one day?

 

[Baconator69**]

It's good you found something you enjoy more than BJJ. There are times I dont like it and I take time off. I have been off almost a year right now.

 

[sickboy609]

Not at all, I have no desire to train "MMA" I believe grappling arts ie: BJJ, Sambo, Wrestling, Judo, etc require you to think a little bit more than punching someone repeatedly, again just my opinion not here to break balls or cause waves, I started wrestling as a kid and when I was in high school we had a foreign exchange student from Brazil on my soccer team, he would show a bunch of us basic BJJ, arm bars, triangles, kimuras, etc, it was awesome and that's where my love started, I came from a wrestling background and started training BJJ and JUdo and I wouldn't leave it ever for anything, it's like when Maia fought Nate the Great, he KO'd him before these two could grapple like a ton of people wanted to see, just my thoughts

 

[sickboy609]

TS I am happy that you did find something that you do enjoy and love, and I wish you success in it