It's Sad for MMA That McGregor's Accomplishments are Dismissed

[c0rbin9]

McGregor is a knock out artist with an excellent record, yet there is still an increasingly small minority of fans who dismiss and minimize all of his accomplishments. Yet at this point, is there really anyone in either the featherweight or lightweight division that he wouldn't demolish?

MMA isn't as stat-driven as some sports. This means that there is a certain amount of subjectivity to the collective assessment of an athlete's skills, unlike baseball or golf where the stats basically tell the entire story. In such an environment, an athlete like McGregor, whose record and performances stand on their own, but whose persona isn't "respectful" or whatever to some - isn't given the credit he is due. Basically, people let their judgment of the man himself cloud their judgment of his skills in the sport, which are undeniably top notch. I wonder, if McGregor had the same performances and record he has, but was a humble, quiet Brazilian jiu-jitsu fighter, would his ability be questioned at every turn like it is now? Maybe not.

Basically what I'm saying is even MMA fans underestimate the guy - how can boxing fans not do the same? I get the feeling boxing fans perceive McGregor as this sloppy brawler with some wrestling and jiu jitsu, not the sniper rifle assassin that he is.

I don't give McGregor above a 50% chance of beating Mayweather, but this isn't the mismatch that the deluge of early media stories saying Mayweather's victory is a foregone conclusion would have us believe.

 

[RoyCisneros]

I don't think anyone dismisses his skill as far as mma is concerned. but he has shown very little skill as far as boxing is concerned.

I agree that he beats most mma fighters in his weight class. very few could hang with him. but in boxing? I don't give him a shot against any top 100 boxer in the weight class

 

[c0rbin9]

I guess we'll find out. I think top MMA fighters are a lot better boxers than people give them credit for. I think we'll find that as it turns out, punching people in the head in a ring isn't that different from punching people in the head in an octagon.

 

[Thunderchild]

I don't think anyone dismisses his skill as far as mma is concerned. but he has shown very little skill as far as boxing is concerned.

I agree that he beats most mma fighters in his weight class. very few could hang with him. but in boxing? I don't give him a shot against any top 100 boxer in the weight class

TS doesn't recognize the vast difference between the two sports. I am not trying to single him out, many people do not.

 

[c0rbin9]

^ You're right, I don't think there is a vast difference, in boxing, between a top-level boxer and a top-level MMA boxer. I do think there is a difference, in the boxer's favor, but it's not vast enough to think that the MMA fighter has "no chance", especially versus an opponent who is 12 years past his prime and smaller.

 

[Silverstar17]

Boxing world champs were and would still be heavy underdogs vs Floyd.

Why are you so triggered that Conor is a huge underdog?

Floyd is a boxing genius. Conor's best weapon and boxing skill is the pull counter. Well Floyd is a master at that and he does it to much better boxers than Conor. Plus it is only one of his many tools.

Floyd stands out in boxing more than Conor does in MMA in both skill and accomplishments.

 

[Rockapotomuss]

Floyd isn't a genius. Intelligence has nothing to do with it. He's just a little bit faster and had slightly better reflexive timing. Both decrease with age.

 

[RoyCisneros]

I guess we'll find out. I think top MMA fighters are a lot better boxers than people give them credit for. I think we'll find that as it turns out, punching people in the head in a ring isn't that different from punching people in the head in an octagon.

See I think what you aren't understanding is the skill level involved in both sports. Anderson Silva looks like the greatest of all time against guys like Forrest Griffin. his striking looked absolutely fantastic.

But if you put him against a top boxer all of a sudden Anderson would appear to be in quick sand.

people bullshit a lot about K-1/Kickboxing/Muay Thai, Jujitsu because its a specialized form of fighting, but when it comes to boxing its not just specialized fighting, it's got the craziest talent pool out there. it's ridiculously popular.

Keep this in mind.... It's easier being the best in your classroom at something, than being the best in your country at it.

MMA is a young sport that hasn't been around for ages. watch early MMA events and notice how the guys look like they would get smashed on against present day mma fighters. you have rosters of guys in mma who succeed after only training for a few years. throw in a fighter who has been training 8 years against floyd mayweather and watch him get destroyed easily.

Brett Rogers went from working at costco to knocking out the #2 ranked fighter in andrei arlovski. all in 4 years and not even training full time.

Travis Brown started training at 26?
Randy Couture in his 30s?

Cory hill managed a 2-0 ufc record with 2 years of mma training.


boxers usually start as children, and essentially live in gyms. even then sometimes they never make it. My father was a professional boxer, and I was always drawn to the sport, but I didn't really start any type of serious training until I was around 13, or 14 years old and constantly heard I started way too late. You can literally youtube "5 year old boxer" and find hundreds of kids who are prodigys or show promise. Saw this video the other day of a 15 year old amature boxer taking it to Jamie Alvarez(TUF Alumni) in a sparring session


Brock Lesnar went from having an old collegiate wrestling career, went on to be a fake wwe athlete for the length of a decent career, and then transitioned into mma winning heavyweight gold.

You can't really get by being one dimensional in boxing as you can in MMA. there are guys with brilliant footwork who can't even make it at an amature level. As I said Anderson being elusive against mma guys isn't that impressive when you look at the talent level of his opponents. you can find guys who are bums who make guys on the street look just as stupid as forrest griffin.



The reason for this and what you need to understand about it is the skill level to succeed is ridiculously low in mma at the moment, and the competition isn't there yet. Also there are multiple variables and methods of winning so you can get by with not being rounded or polished. in boxing, you literally have to amazing in every area or else you will get abused.


You might be able to get away with it in the Heavyweight divison, but even those guys are amazing. in the early 1970's George Foreman a guy who wasn't even known as a technical genius, but rather a monster powerhouse literally beat 5 professional fighters in a row with ease.



top of the chain boxers are literally unbelievable for making it as far as they do.



Also If you watch any videos in this thread watch these 2:





these guys are talented as shit, but mayweather is still on a level higher.



McGregor looks like a great counter puncher but he is going up against guys who aren't great at striking to begin with. keep the classroom/country comparison in mind when you watch videos.












Edit:

Also if you haven't boxed, I can tell you first hand you don't need one punch power to knock someone out. you can overwhelm them, and just knock them down with pressure or speed. Also everyone talks about Conor being a KO Artist and Floyd having pillow fists coming into this fight. But i can assure you Conor wouldn't have gotten half of those KO's against those opponents had they had the chins of Mayweathers opponents.

you need a good chin in boxing, something thats not required in mma.

 

[Hater Hater]

McGregor is a knock out artist with an excellent record, yet there is still an increasingly small minority of fans who dismiss and minimize all of his accomplishments. Yet at this point, is there really anyone in either the featherweight or lightweight division that he wouldn't demolish?

I'm a big Conor fan but there are some lightweights that could beat him. Not "would beat him" as so many jackasses would say, but Khabib, Tony, Frankie, and others are good competition for him.

MMA isn't as stat-driven as some sports. This means that there is a certain amount of subjectivity to the collective assessment of an athlete's skills, unlike baseball or golf where the stats basically tell the entire story. In such an environment, an athlete like McGregor, whose record and performances stand on their own, but whose persona isn't "respectful" or whatever to some - isn't given the credit he is due. Basically, people let their judgment of the man himself cloud their judgment of his skills in the sport, which are undeniably top notch. I wonder, if McGregor had the same performances and record he has, but was a humble, quiet Brazilian jiu-jitsu fighter, would his ability be questioned at every turn like it is now? Maybe not.

Maybe. He would be a lot poorer, that is for sure.

Basically what I'm saying is even MMA fans underestimate the guy - how can boxing fans not do the same? I get the feeling boxing fans perceive McGregor as this sloppy brawler with some wrestling and jiu jitsu, not the sniper rifle assassin that he is.

These MMA fans you are refering to are either idiots, trolls, or haters. Regardless, ignore them and move on. They are not worth the effort.

I don't give McGregor above a 50% chance of beating Mayweather, but this isn't the mismatch that the deluge of early media stories saying Mayweather's victory is a foregone conclusion would have us believe.

See answer above.

 

[WinZip]

I don't think anyone dismisses his skill as far as mma is concerned

Uh...what? Are you new here or...?

Conor has a bunchof bitter haters who constantly try to discredit literally everything he's ever done since he was a kid. It's extremely pathetic but it happens constantly around here

 

[Thunderchild]

Uh...what? Are you new here or...?

Conor has a bunchof bitter haters who constantly try to discredit literally everything he's ever done since he was a kid. It's extremely pathetic but it happens constantly around here

Luckily for him there are plenty of white knight gonad gobblers to come to his defense.

 

[Hater Hater]

See I think what you aren't understanding is the skill level involved in both sports. Anderson Silva looks like the greatest of all time against guys like Forrest Griffin. his striking looked absolutely fantastic.

But if you put him against a top boxer all of a sudden Anderson would appear to be in quick sand.

people bullshit a lot about K-1/Kickboxing/Muay Thai, Jujitsu because its a specialized form of fighting, but when it comes to boxing its not just specialized fighting, it's got the craziest talent pool out there. it's ridiculously popular.

Keep this in mind.... It's easier being the best in your classroom at something, than being the best in your country at it.

MMA is a young sport that hasn't been around for ages. watch early MMA events and notice how the guys look like they would get smashed on against present day mma fighters. you have rosters of guys in mma who succeed after only training for a few years. throw in a fighter who has been training 8 years against floyd mayweather and watch him get destroyed easily.

Brett Rogers went from working at costco to knocking out the #2 ranked fighter in andrei arlovski. all in 4 years and not even training full time.

Travis Brown started training at 26?
Randy Couture in his 30s?

Cory hill managed a 2-0 ufc record with 2 years of mma training.


boxers usually start as children, and essentially live in gyms. even then sometimes they never make it. My father was a professional boxer, and I was always drawn to the sport, but I didn't really start any type of serious training until I was around 13, or 14 years old and constantly heard I started way too late. You can literally youtube "5 year old boxer" and find hundreds of kids who are prodigys or show promise. Saw this video the other day of a 15 year old amature boxer taking it to Jamie Alvarez(TUF Alumni) in a sparring session


Brock Lesnar went from having an old collegiate wrestling career, went on to be a fake wwe athlete for the length of a decent career, and then transitioned into mma winning heavyweight gold.

You can't really get by being one dimensional in boxing as you can in MMA. there are guys with brilliant footwork who can't even make it at an amature level. As I said Anderson being elusive against mma guys isn't that impressive when you look at the talent level of his opponents. you can find guys who are bums who make guys on the street look just as stupid as forrest griffin.



The reason for this and what you need to understand about it is the skill level to succeed is ridiculously low in mma at the moment, and the competition isn't there yet. Also there are multiple variables and methods of winning so you can get by with not being rounded or polished. in boxing, you literally have to amazing in every area or else you will get abused.


You might be able to get away with it in the Heavyweight divison, but even those guys are amazing. in the early 1970's George Foreman a guy who wasn't even known as a technical genius, but rather a monster powerhouse literally beat 5 professional fighters in a row with ease.



top of the chain boxers are literally unbelievable for making it as far as they do.



Also If you watch any video in this thread watch this one:



these guys are talented as shit, and even they don't compare to mayweather.



McGregor looks like a great counter puncher but he is going up against guys who aren't great at striking to begin with. keep the classroom/country comparison in mind when you watch videos.












Edit:

Also if you haven't boxed, I can tell you first hand you don't need one punch power to knock someone out. you can overwhelm them, and just knock them down with pressure or speed. Also everyone talks about Conor being a KO Artist and Floyd having pillow fists coming into this fight. But i can assure you Conor wouldn't have gotten half of those KO's against those opponents had they had the chins of Mayweathers opponents.

you need a good chin in boxing, something thats not required in mma.

Great post. I can see what you are saying. There are levels to everything and the top people in boxing have proven themselves to be the elite by rising through a massive talent pool. Also, they have sharpened there specific skills through years upon years of practice. Floyd, is the elite of the elite and the skill gap cannot be closed overnight nor could 99.9999% of the people close that gap with unlimited time.

I will say that I believe that many of the skills that apply to striking in MMA apply to boxing as well and Conor has been practising these skills for quite some time. I will also say that the Conor has incredible intangibles: his ability to perform under incredible pressure is far above anything I have seen in MMA; his athleticism is up there with the elite boxers; he has a great chin; he has great coaches (despite what retards will say); and he is a master of the game outside of throwing punches and defending strikes (pressuring, goading, and attacking the will of the opponent). So all in all, I don't think we should be comparing just any regular talent with no boxing to the elite of boxing in this case.

There is also a matter of the situation. I believe Floyd is under more pressure than he has ever been in his life. He is defending all of boxing and a loss here would be beyond embarrassing. In fact, anything but a one sided beating would be embarrassing. If Conor gets anything going in there and has momentum on his side even for a bit, that will be a lot of pressure on Floyd. Conor also knows how to take advantage of that pressure and won't let Floyd breath (even though Floyd is great at making time for himself). Floyd is also 40 and his abilities are diminishing. While they might not be be diminished a lot, that still has to be playing havoc with his self believe. Floyd is also going for big number 50 but I believe that to be the least of his concerns.

Anyway, I believe Conor will surprise a lot of people.

 

[WinZip]

Luckily for him there are plenty of white knight gonad gobblers to come to his defense.

Hey look, a hater

 

[Thunderchild]

Hey look, a hater

I don't hate McGregor just some of his fans.

 

[in the liver]

McGregor is a knock out artist with an excellent record, yet there is still an increasingly small minority of fans who dismiss and minimize all of his accomplishments. Yet at this point, is there really anyone in either the featherweight or lightweight division that he wouldn't demolish?

MMA isn't as stat-driven as some sports. This means that there is a certain amount of subjectivity to the collective assessment of an athlete's skills, unlike baseball or golf where the stats basically tell the entire story. In such an environment, an athlete like McGregor, whose record and performances stand on their own, but whose persona isn't "respectful" or whatever to some - isn't given the credit he is due. Basically, people let their judgment of the man himself cloud their judgment of his skills in the sport, which are undeniably top notch. I wonder, if McGregor had the same performances and record he has, but was a humble, quiet Brazilian jiu-jitsu fighter, would his ability be questioned at every turn like it is now? Maybe not.

Basically what I'm saying is even MMA fans underestimate the guy - how can boxing fans not do the same? I get the feeling boxing fans perceive McGregor as this sloppy brawler with some wrestling and jiu jitsu, not the sniper rifle assassin that he is.

I don't give McGregor above a 50% chance of beating Mayweather, but this isn't the mismatch that the deluge of early media stories saying Mayweather's victory is a foregone conclusion would have us believe.

nate diaz destroyed him and nate has 11 losses on his record. you do the mmath

 

[Prince Nephilim]

Floyd isn't a genius. Intelligence has nothing to do with it. He's just a little bit faster and had slightly better reflexive timing. Both decrease with age.

Conor's not a genius either.

Floyd has above average fighting IQ. There are multiple types of intelligence, if you didn't know, which judging by your statement...you didn't.

 

[Ancient Warrior]

I don't think anyone dismisses his skill as far as mma is concerned. but he has shown very little skill as far as boxing is concerned.

I agree that he beats most mma fighters in his weight class. very few could hang with him. but in boxing? I don't give him a shot against any top 100 boxer in the weight class

This.

I wonder why some fans think pro boxers have hundreds of pro and amateur fights. Do they think it's just for show? Do they really think Conor can just bypass years and years of experience, walk into the ring and beat a top boxer?

 

[Seagal's sensei]

See I think what you aren't understanding is the skill level involved in both sports. Anderson Silva looks like the greatest of all time against guys like Forrest Griffin. his striking looked absolutely fantastic.

But if you put him against a top boxer all of a sudden Anderson would appear to be in quick sand.

people bullshit a lot about K-1/Kickboxing/Muay Thai, Jujitsu because its a specialized form of fighting, but when it comes to boxing its not just specialized fighting, it's got the craziest talent pool out there. it's ridiculously popular.

Keep this in mind.... It's easier being the best in your classroom at something, than being the best in your country at it.

MMA is a young sport that hasn't been around for ages. watch early MMA events and notice how the guys look like they would get smashed on against present day mma fighters. you have rosters of guys in mma who succeed after only training for a few years. throw in a fighter who has been training 8 years against floyd mayweather and watch him get destroyed easily.

Brett Rogers went from working at costco to knocking out the #2 ranked fighter in andrei arlovski. all in 4 years and not even training full time.

Travis Brown started training at 26?
Randy Couture in his 30s?

Cory hill managed a 2-0 ufc record with 2 years of mma training.


boxers usually start as children, and essentially live in gyms. even then sometimes they never make it. My father was a professional boxer, and I was always drawn to the sport, but I didn't really start any type of serious training until I was around 13, or 14 years old and constantly heard I started way too late. You can literally youtube "5 year old boxer" and find hundreds of kids who are prodigys or show promise. Saw this video the other day of a 15 year old amature boxer taking it to Jamie Alvarez(TUF Alumni) in a sparring session


Brock Lesnar went from having an old collegiate wrestling career, went on to be a fake wwe athlete for the length of a decent career, and then transitioned into mma winning heavyweight gold.

You can't really get by being one dimensional in boxing as you can in MMA. there are guys with brilliant footwork who can't even make it at an amature level. As I said Anderson being elusive against mma guys isn't that impressive when you look at the talent level of his opponents. you can find guys who are bums who make guys on the street look just as stupid as forrest griffin.



The reason for this and what you need to understand about it is the skill level to succeed is ridiculously low in mma at the moment, and the competition isn't there yet. Also there are multiple variables and methods of winning so you can get by with not being rounded or polished. in boxing, you literally have to amazing in every area or else you will get abused.


You might be able to get away with it in the Heavyweight divison, but even those guys are amazing. in the early 1970's George Foreman a guy who wasn't even known as a technical genius, but rather a monster powerhouse literally beat 5 professional fighters in a row with ease.



top of the chain boxers are literally unbelievable for making it as far as they do.



Also If you watch any videos in this thread watch these 2:





these guys are talented as shit, but mayweather is still on a level higher.



McGregor looks like a great counter puncher but he is going up against guys who aren't great at striking to begin with. keep the classroom/country comparison in mind when you watch videos.












Edit:

Also if you haven't boxed, I can tell you first hand you don't need one punch power to knock someone out. you can overwhelm them, and just knock them down with pressure or speed. Also everyone talks about Conor being a KO Artist and Floyd having pillow fists coming into this fight. But i can assure you Conor wouldn't have gotten half of those KO's against those opponents had they had the chins of Mayweathers opponents.

you need a good chin in boxing, something thats not required in mma.

This post is so pretentious and dumb. There are plenty of guys who's made a name for themselves in boxing with shitty boxing and power as their only attribute. Other guys have risen to the top with an epic chin. Some by being world class clinchers with dirty boxing. Some with ridiculous speed and movement. The point being that you don't need to be a great boxer to excel in boxing - attributes and athletic gifts will get you a long way.

It's true that the talent pool for MMA is currently smaller, it was approx one fifth of boxing's five years ago, but the new gen of MMA fighters we're seeing now actively chose MMA instead of their base discipline and it's because boxing is a dying sport and this fight is the last hurrah unless the US produces a HW that knocks out opponents at will and can talk like McGregor. As much as MMA fans complain about MMA-fighters paychecks they should be aware that the Mayweathers of the world is a huge exception and a your typical undercard boxer on a world championship PPV regularly makes $500-$3000 and the cards themselves barely makes 150 000 buys even with known names. Kovalev vs Ward (TBRB's #1 and #2 P4P) did 160 000 buys ffs - those are Mighty Mouse numbers and serious reason for concern in MMA...

Like, get your head out of the sand. There's no doubt Floyd is a massive favorite in this fight and rightfully so, but McGregor has the attributes and power so anything can happen. As far as the rest of your arguments and the superiority of boxing as a sport they have little basis in reality and are getting more and more deluded with every failed boxing ppv.

 

[RoyCisneros]

This post is so pretentious and dumb. There are plenty of guys who's made a name for themselves in boxing with shitty boxing and power as their only attribute. Other guys have risen to the top with an epic chin.

Name some aside from Homer Simpson

It's true that the talent pool for MMA is currently smaller, it was approx one fifth of boxing's five years ago, but the new gen of MMA fighters we're seeing now actively chose MMA instead of their base discipline and it's because boxing is a dying sport and this fight is the last hurrah unless the US produces a HW that knocks out opponents at will and can talk like McGregor.

I doubt the heavyweigth becomes exciting. but boxing is not dieing. I think it was more dead a few years ago than it is currently. There are lots of interesting prospects/matchups these days.

Also I agree MMA is gaining popularity, but those who chose MMA are still training. in 30-40 years from now the level of skill in MMA might be higher. but it's not today.

Like, get your head out of the sand. There's no doubt Floyd is a massive favorite in this fight and rightfully so, but McGregor has the attributes and power so anything can happen. As far as the rest of your arguments and the superiority of boxing as a sport they have little basis in reality and are getting more and more deluded with every failed boxing ppv.

I agree anything can happen but it's highly unlikely. No reasonable reason to think he'd win.

also ppvs aren't failing. Canelo vs Chavez was a total mismatch and it's done more ppv buys than anything mma has done in 2011, 2012, 2014, and 2017

Boxing had a terrible 2016, but it was still better than mma in 2014. boxing isn't going anywhere.

 

[RoyCisneros]

This.

I wonder why some fans think pro boxers have hundreds of pro and amateur fights. Do they think it's just for show? Do they really think Conor can just bypass years and years of experience, walk into the ring and beat a top boxer?

I'm not sure what it is, but it's crazy.

I think there are just multiple types of people.

#1 guys who believe in Luck/Feeling/Destiny, and want to believe Conor can win so bad that they've convinced themselves.

#2 those who are only fans of MMA, and want to believe it is of the highest level imaginable. Once they wake up and realize that there are skill gaps throughout different sports, they start realizing it's not the end all be all.