Economy It's here again the yearly reminder about wage disparity between poor and the rich on Wall Street

[EradiatedHaggis]

I'm going to disagree with the underlined because it's overly broad. Everything leads to company funding directly or indirectly. "Directly or indirectly, positively or negatively" is so broad as to be meaningless.

Except that it isnt. Everything IS directly or indirectly related to company investments...Your stock purchase effects a companies value in some way or another which affects investment.

Even day trading did though with the least affect outside of increasing instability...yet, a stock with a very high instability gets labelled with a volatile rating more often which almost always leads to investment being halted or at minimum, decreased.

 

[Gregolian]

I make under 40k a year...

The head of the County HR department...

$124k a year.... like, HOLY FUCK

 

[Islam Imamate]

Yikes, what has is happening to you

Its just the classical Islamic vision of society. The poor have certain rights to the wealth of the rich because that wealth was not earned, it was given to them by Allah subhanahu wa taala as a test of their moral character; will they recognize their responsibility to the poor or will they horde it to fulfill their most carnal desires?

This is what has been lost in America. At least in the Gilded Age the mega-rich pretended that they had and fulfilled a responsibility to the rest of society, despite failing to do so most of the time, but nowadays the dominance of radical individualism and free market dogma have come to celebrate the selfish pursuit of wealth as a moral good in and of itself.

"Eat the Rich" is not a liberal catchphrase lol.

Well maybe not for you but it is something I have seen leftists say as of late, though its been around for a while it seems. I even saw it pressure washed under a highway once and something tells me it wasn't a libertarian who did so.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

I make under 40k a year...

The head of the County HR department...

$124k a year.... like, HOLY FUCK

the City Manager for Yucca Valley, the nearest incorporated city to me (besides my own) makes about 250k

Yucca Valley has a mere 22k people

 

[Trotsky]

Well maybe not for you but it is something I have seen leftists say as of late, though its been around for a while it seems. I even saw it pressure washed under a highway once and something tells me it wasn't a libertarian who did so.

It's a catchphrase, but it's a catchphrase for leftists, not liberals. Leftists/communists/socialists, etc. hate being called liberals.

 

[My Spot]

the City Manager for Yucca Valley, the nearest incorporated city to me (besides my own) makes about 250k

Yucca Valley has a mere 22k people

lol at Yucca Valley having a "city" manager.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

Its just the classical Islamic vision of society. The poor have certain rights to the wealth of the rich because that wealth was not earned, it was given to them by Allah subhanahu wa taala as a test of their moral character; will they recognize their responsibility to the poor or will they horde it to fulfill their most carnal desires?

This is what has been lost in America. At least in the Gilded Age the mega-rich pretended that they had and fulfilled a responsibility to the rest of society, despite failing to do so most of the time, but nowadays the dominance of radical individualism and free market dogma have come to celebrate the selfish pursuit of wealth as a moral good in and of itself.

Well maybe not for you but it is something I have seen leftists say as of late, though its been around for a while it seems. I even saw it pressure washed under a highway once and something tells me it wasn't a libertarian who did so.

i think that has to also do w/ loss of Religious Sway in the US and Western countries
Islamic countries are well just that, Islamic, so pretty fundamentalist and one of the seven pillars of Islam is Almsgiving

But Tithing, and passing the worship plate, fundraisers, church events, etc... were still relatively common ways to help others before Churches A) went out of power Politically, and B) went all in on the tax free, megachurch BS

the Tl/Dr version: i think loss of religion has resulted in a loss of sense of community, which results in people being more selfish/self centered and thinking less of others

 

[Gregolian]

the City Manager for Yucca Valley, the nearest incorporated city to me (besides my own) makes about 250k

Yucca Valley has a mere 22k people

It's insane.

This is the article about it:
https://www.bellinghamherald.com/news/local/article228890084.html

This right here is what bothers me the most:

Salaries are based on those in comparable Washington state counties, usually an average of three that are larger than Whatcom County and three that are smaller.

“For comparing wages, we generally look at how our positions align with the same positions of like counties,” Goens said in an email. “We collect the job descriptions from each of the six comparable counties that closely match our job descriptions, gather the associated salary information, and determine how we are aligned. If it looks like our positions are underpaid by at least 3% in four of the six counties, then we would look at realignment. The counties we have been using are Cowlitz, Skagit, Benton, Yakima, Kitsap and Thurston.”

Read more here: https://www.bellinghamherald.com/news/local/article228890084.html#storylink=cpy

All those counties... EXCEPT FOR Yakima... PRETTY sure I can make more per hour there than where I am now. My HR dept needs a wakeup call.

 

[Islam Imamate]

It's a catchphrase, but it's a catchphrase for leftists, not liberals. Leftists/communists/socialists, etc. hate being called liberals.

Oh that's what you meant, yeah sorry about that. I sometimes use liberal and leftist interchangeably and I can see how that causes confusion.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

It's insane.

This is the article about it:
https://www.bellinghamherald.com/news/local/article228890084.html

This right here is what bothers me the most:


All those counties... EXCEPT FOR Yakima... PRETTY sure I can make more per hour there than where I am now. My HR dept needs a wakeup call.

i also always don't understand where they get this COLA data from, it can't always be the BLS

Our GS scale for 29 Palms is actually the LA local locale scale, yet the same jobs here pay substantially more at Miramar or Camp Pendleton. Yes they cost more than here, but our pay is based off LA not Hills Have Eyes Territory.

 

[Gregolian]

i also always don't understand where they get this COLA data from, it can't always be the BLS

Our GS scale for 29 Palms is actually the LA local locale scale, yet the same jobs here pay substantially more at Miramar or Camp Pendleton. Yes they cost more than here, but our pay is based off LA not Hills Have Eyes Territory.

Part of me wants to go down to my HR dept and kinda smack the HR lady's door real hard and be like "um... have you UPDATED the tables since like.. 2000? Cause I applied for jobs in ALL those counties doing what I do now and they pay more so....."

 

[Strychnine]

They're coming for the trailer parks now. If you live on a fixed income and you're in a trailer park...

You're going to get shafted. Where else are you going to go?

 

[Starman]

Learn to code.

 

[Islam Imamate]

i think that has to also do w/ loss of Religious Sway in the US and Western countries
Islamic countries are well just that, Islamic, so pretty fundamentalist and one of the seven pillars of Islam is Almsgiving

Not exactly, even in Islamic countries these Western notions about the free market and individualism are taking hold and increasingly you see the rise of an elite that generally does not recognize their Islamic responsibility to the poor. This was partly what fueled the rage of the Arab Spring despite the fact that the Arab countries are not even that unequal compared to other parts of the world.

That ideal is only carried by the middle class Islamists who tend to run the largest charities in these societies but they are often persecuted by the state to varying degrees.

But Tithing, and passing the worship plate, fundraisers, church events, etc... were still relatively common ways to help others before Churches A) went out of power Politically, and B) went all in on the tax free, megachurch BS

the Tl/Dr version: i think loss of religion has resulted in a loss of sense of community, which results in people being more selfish/self centered and thinking less of others

IMO its the loss of religion/community coupled with the rise of radical individualism and free market dogma which celebrates wealth as an indicator of moral fortitude. Its not just that the rich no longer recognize a responsibility to the poor, its that they are in fact seen as the moral ones by devoting their time and energy to the successful pursuit of wealth while the rest are clearly lacking in moral fiber as evidenced by their lack of wealth. In this topsy turvy vision of the world its the poor who are greedy for envying the wealth of the rich, not the wealthy who celebrate the love of money.

 

[Skevious Manholelicker]

I make under 40k a year...

The head of the County HR department...

$124k a year.... like, HOLY FUCK

I see this problem in my organisation. Senior executive positions that used to be filled by front line workers rising through the ranks were first supplanted by MBA types, but over the last 10+ years HR has really gotten in on the racket. And of course they have, they control hiring and compensation. Crazy to have someone with a Ba in Psychology and a career in HR taking on CEO/COO/VP/DIRECTOR roles in large public sector entities, and all making 3-4 times the wages of Jane or Joe Lunchbucket.

 

[Gregolian]

I see this problem in my organisation. Senior executive positions that used to be filled by front line workers rising through the ranks were first supplanted by MBA types, but over the last 10+ years HR has really gotten in on the racket. And of course they have, they control hiring and compensation. Crazy to have someone with a Ba in Psychology and a career in HR taking on CEO/COO/VP/DIRECTOR roles in large public sector entities, and all making 3-4 times the wages of Jane or Joe Lunchbucket.

The union contract negotiations we had recently were downright insulting. Some ass in HR insinuated the 5% wage increase people wanted (mind you I make 18.77 right now so it'd only be like 50 cents right) was too much and that "you guys are compensated just fine as is right now" to which the Sheriff Deputy union members there were like "THEY'RE PAID AT A RATE THAT IS LESS THAN THE JANITORS MAKE!!!"

I think we ultimately are getting 3% increase across the board with backpay... because oh yeah, our last contract expired end of December 2018.. so my office has been working without a contract for almost 4.5 months.

 

[Skevious Manholelicker]

The union contract negotiations we had recently were downright insulting. Some ass in HR insinuated the 5% wage increase people wanted (mind you I make 18.77 right now so it'd only be like 50 cents right) was too much and that "you guys are compensated just fine as is right now" to which the Sheriff Deputy union members there were like "THEY'RE PAID AT A RATE THAT IS LESS THAN THE JANITORS MAKE!!!"

I think we ultimately are getting 3% increase across the board with backpay... because oh yeah, our last contract expired end of December 2018.. so my office has been working without a contract for almost 4.5 months.

Sad how similar the games they play are. We're only a week without a contract right now, but we're looking at 2% a year for 3 years. Soaring property taxes alone are enough to make that a less-than-cost-of-living increase, let alone the other million papercuts bleeding us.

 

[Gregolian]

Sad how similar the games they play are. We're only a week without a contract right now, but we're looking at 2% a year for 3 years. Soaring property taxes alone are enough to make that a less-than-cost-of-living increase, let alone the other million papercuts bleeding us.

What really bothers me is it was finalized I believe a week ago and I still haven't seen shit about it being implemented yet.

 

[bobgeese]

Bootstraps son, get to pullin.

If you’re an able bodied person, and you’ve made it to adulthood, with zero skills of value to society, you’ve made bad choices in life and shouldn’t expect an easy life.

The truth hurts.

 

[Gregolian]

They're coming for the trailer parks now. If you live on a fixed income and you're in a trailer park...

You're going to get shafted. Where else are you going to go?