It’s funny how Jones tried to price himself out the fight

[markg171]

No bud. Ngannou wanted to put hands on Jon Jones 100%

He was not afraid of him one iota and even laughed at him and called him fat during a broadcast. Jon was terrified of Francis - as soon as Ngannou left Jones moved up within the week. You have to believe he was giving Dana the means to low ball Ngannou in negotiations, offering him guarantees if Ngannou left

Sir Francis has only fought Renan in the years since then and still hasn't an MMA fight in sight. Even Jon with all his "ducking" has had more MMA fights than that, after a far more illustrious and wearing career.

If you can't see that Francis was simply done with MMA I don't know what to tell you.

 

[markg171]

Its well known that Francis wanted no parts of that Jones smoke after witnessing his performance against Reyes and ran out of the company.

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Think Francis was a tad more worried that at zero point in his career has he ever been able to be consistently good meanwhile Jon had been for 15 years. The one more likely to fuck up was Francis, not Jon.

It's, you know, the entire reason he laughably asked for champion pay no matter how shitty his record got.

 

[TITS]

Why does the person holding the UFC title need an offer to fight the person who holds the Interim title? Jon is obligated to fight Tom Aspinall and has openly said he will not fight Tom Aspinall.

You're right, they shouldn't offer him anything. Or maybe because he'd been talking about retiring after the Stipey fight, and the UFC wanted to make it worth his while.

 

[volcom5]

And the UFC offered him what he wanted, but then he said he’s not fighting Aspinall because he’s too rude?

Fedor did the same thing when he ducked the UFC

 

[HuskySamoan]

And the UFC offered him what he wanted, but then he said he’s not fighting Aspinall because he’s too rude?

I dont think they offered him what he wanted. 12m is real low if the rumor is true. He wants 20-30m realistically and hes worth every penny. He may also just not take the fight regardless, he is old and not focused like he used to be.

 

[Marko Polo]

I dont think they offered him what he wanted. 12m is real low if the rumor is true. He wants 20-30m realistically and hes worth every penny. He may also just not take the fight regardless, he is old and not focused like he used to be.

He was 35-36 when this all started happening with Francis. He fought DC when Cormier was 38 and he was 30? I think, which is further apart than Jones and Aspinall are now. There’s no way to dress it up man.

 

[icemun]

Ahh...interesting.

Now here is what I am confused about bud. If Jon moved up to HW as soon as Francis left, you said within a week, right? All this took place early to mid January 2023 if I recall. Then why was it reported in the media in November of 2022 that Jon Jones will make his HW debut at UFC 285 in March of 2023 and he's booked for that event. This was reported 2 months prior to Francis leaving the UFC.

I mean something doesn't make sense here. If Jon only moved up after Francis left, why was Jon booked for a HW fight 2 months prior to Francis leaving??

And from what I recall, the UFC offered Francis the Jones fight on Jan 10th 2023, he declined. And then on Jan 14th they announced Francis was being striped and Jon will fight Gane at UFC 285.

I mean it's almost like the UFC wanted to make Jones vs Fracnis for UFC 285, tried many times, Jon accepted the fight but Francis declined. I mean Jon did end up fighting on that very event.

Youre trying to make a factual presentation to someone that despises Jones with every fibre of his being

He wakes up in the middle of the night to make Jon Jones HATE threads

 

[Strijfy]

Haven't you dumb fucks been celebrating for years that Francis refused to re-sign with the UFC unless they offered him continued champion pay no matter how shitty his record got?

Make up your minds about fighter pay.

you got double yellows, thats surprising considering your pithy and on point commentary.

 

[markg171]

He was 35-36 when this all started happening with Francis. He fought DC when Cormier was 38 and he was 30? I think, which is further apart than Jones and Aspinall are now. There’s no way to dress it up man.

Was DC on his way down after 17 years like Jones is or was he at his best?

 

[markg171]

you got double yellows, thats surprising considering your pithy and on point commentary.

Turns out you can’t talk about the rainbow or something around here.

Times have changed since 2008.

 

[Rear Naked Toke]

Why does the person holding the UFC title need an offer to fight the person who holds the Interim title? Jon is obligated to fight Tom Aspinall and has openly said he will not fight Tom Aspinall.

In boxing, he would be obligated. In MMA, UFC specifically - not so much.

Jon vs Tom is the biggest fight they could possibly have right now.

The ball, unfortunately, is in Jon's court. He will retire as HW champ without ever fighting Tom.

 

[Hog-train]

Maybe he's waiting to pulse first.

 

[icemun]

Whats really amazing

Jones greatness



God bless the GOAT

 

[muaythaibeast]

Was DC on his way down after 17 years like Jones is or was he at his best?

That may be a valid point, but it doesn’t hold up when you're a champion. If you genuinely believe you can't compete with the best any more, then don't be a champion.

 

[JBJ was here]

I don't understand the business model.

It seems idiotic to let fighters win the belt and the hold you for ransom every fight.

You'd think they could figure out a better way. Something like the NFL does, entire you sign a 1 year deal, or a 5-fight deal, where you fight wherever and whenever they tell you to until the contract expires.

And if you get injured they just pause your contract until you're healthy and fight again.

The only time a fighter should be able to hold out and negotiate is when their contact is up.

The UFC wants all its fighters to be independent contractors rather than employees. The downsides to this aren't all obvious, but this particular downside is. For holding out to be a breach of contract, the fighter would have to be classified as an employee.

 

[JKS]

You have no reason to think that the UFC was actually trying to keep him in the UFC. If they wanted to build Jones up as champion (which they clearly did, given the insane shit they've done since then), it would be no big deal for them to push Francis out of the UFC with offers he wouldn't accept while pretending they were trying to arrange a fight between him and Jon.

But that's not true at all. The UFC was making very fair offers and conceding to a lot of Francis's demands. The only thing they wouldn't budge on is the ability to fight in other promotions, boxing, and be a so called a independent contractor like he wanted. No one in the UFC gets that.

The UFC gave him a short term contract for 3 fights, which is what he wanted. They gave a no extension clause, which is what he wanted. The gave him Jones which is the fight he wanted. And they gave him the pay he wanted, highest HW contract ever. Not only that, the UFC met with Franics countless times to make a deal with him.

 

[don't ask]

But that's not true at all. The UFC was making very fair offers and conceding to a lot of Francis's demands. The only thing they wouldn't budge on is the ability to fight in other promotions, boxing, and be a so called a independent contractor like he wanted. No one in the UFC gets that.

The UFC gave him a short term contract for 3 fights, which is what he wanted. They gave a no extension clause, which is what he wanted. The gave him Jones which is the fight he wanted. And they gave him the pay he wanted, highest HW contract ever. Not only that, the UFC met with Franics countless times to make a deal with him.

Can you provide sources for these claims? If this has been confirmed anywhere, I'll stop saying this because I have not seen any of this confirmed by a reliable source.

 

[JKS]

I think you missed the part where Ngannou, by this time, had already made it very clear he was not going to resign with the UFC and was just waiting for (I believe) the UFC matching clause to expire so he could go sign with the PFL. Jon didn't agree to a fight at HW until Francis made it clear he was not going to resign.

That is incorrect. Francis contract expired in Dec 22. But Francis by no means made it clear he was leaving. He was still in talks in late 2022 and early 2023 to make a deal happen and made it clear he wanted to stay.

He even said on the Helwhani podcast on Jan 17th, 2023 that a week prior when he had a call with UFC to make the deal happen on Jan 10th, 2023 Francis said "This is it, lets knock this out" So even after his contract expired he was still looking to make a deal happen early 2023.

Oct 2022, his coach and management talk about how they want to make the Jones fight happen for Feb/March 23. So even 3 months before Francis officially left he and his team had every intention to stay with the UFC. And they kept on meeting to make a deal happen for the next 3 months.

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And it was announced that Jon would headline UFC 285 on Nov 22nd, 2022 and make his HW debut on UFC 285 which was March 5th, 2023. The news broke and the intention was to set up Jon vs Francis. So you are incorrect that Jon agreed to fight at HW once Francis said he was not going to re-sign. Jon headlining UFC 285 was announced two months prior to Francis leaving and during that two months, Francis and the UFC were working out a new deal.

 

[JKS]

Can you provide sources for these claims? If this has been confirmed anywhere, I'll stop saying this because I have not seen any of this confirmed by a reliable source.

He talks about it here, I think from 10min to 15 min mark about the terms of the deal.

 

[Fedorgasm]

The UFC wants all its fighters to be independent contractors rather than employees. The downsides to this aren't all obvious, but this particular downside is. For holding out to be a breach of contract, the fighter would have to be classified as an employee.

They should add a clause where your an independent contractor but if you're offered a title shot, you sign that you'll become an employee if you win the belt.

That way the UFC has a few employees, but only the champions. Everyone else is an independent contractor.